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Re: Communism in Practice: Diasaster after disaster!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:29 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...my brother in law was a surgeon, he died young unfortunately, and worked at the Hospital in Nicosia. He was invited to practice in Canada, as a young man, at one of its most reputable hospitals. At least for some, it seems, there is something more to their Practice, the pleasure in it was worth more than the money, because although at the time, his salary was not far from that of other civil servants, he had authority in his own Operating Room, he staffed it, he had his own ward, and he was provided whatever equipment he asked for, this would not happen, that closeness to Care, where he would have tripled his salary instantly; but i doubt this kind of incentive is available to Medical Practitioners now, in Cyprus.

Times have changed indeed, but not really, because Communism is still regarded as a competing system for our hearts and minds; It is not. Our treatment of Karl Marx and Fredric Engels' work, politically, is how Darwin's work was treated, for or against. Although somehow, unlike Evolution as it was described by Marx, thrown into a heap of fire, Darwin's work avoided the same fate, perhaps because of the way they were defended. In any case, Lenin's efforts to produce a revolution based on a Vanguard only proves that our evolution may be directed to resist the affects of change, what is Natural, is not changed.

All things come to an end, it is the Law of Entropy, and in the larger system of things, such an end describes a cycle. And, by survival or design, as beings we adapt to what changes around us. Scientifically they, Darwin and Marx, (i feel it deserves repeating,) in describing Evolution have not been treated the same, although by nature neither is different in how they analysed the facts as they were, and how from the analysis their theory evolved.

Somewhere i mentioned Trotsky, too, the split of Leninism if you will with Stalin, and the mystery he took to his death, why he stopped trying. And if Marx is correct, denied or not, there will be a moment where the very few have become so few that they are exposed by this weakness, it is the nature of Capitalism, and in this extreme, the world in an instant will know who they are, and from them proceed in directing the Means of Production themselves. Socialism, and Social-Democracy, as we see from the reaction in the radical right in America typically (and elsewhere) is a step back from Capitalism unfettered, and in their minds, likely one step forward toward what is their deepest fear, an end of the Supremacy of Capitalism, because there is a rational use of resources (which is Social rather than Plundered) toward fulfilling needs.

Indeed, historically, at the time, Socialism as a Movement was diluted by the Russian effort (competing directly with it, or being taken over by it) to move their Agenda forward, becoming not unlike the Imperialist they swore to overthrow; what was expected failed, otherwise the horrors of Stalins' rule may not have been necessary for the survival of this Ruling Class.

We, being the rest of us, suffer to this day the harm that was done to thought in general because what is an analysis of what will be because of what was, based on the fact that all things come to an end, was hijacked skewing any debate on it (read: Evolution) as a subject, itself (read: Political Economics). And our well-being has been reduced to the NGOs who promote this awareness, where we might choose ourselves something more than being mindless consumers of debt, often under conditions where it appears as though Government, and, Finance/Industry, are their adversaries for Social-Justice; and where an Aid Agency may be an agent entirely against Equity, and whose intention is to keep things (corrupted) just the way they are.


RW,

to be totally honest with you, I don't think I understand what you're saying.

I am also not knowledgeable about Leninism, Marxism or Stalinism and I don't see how it relates to evolution.

For any of these ideals to replace Capitalism, the entire Financial Industry, markets (the way goods and services are traded) will need to be disbanded. It sounds like Anarchy to me and on top of this there is no incentive for people to aspire to greater things and consequent greater rewards so all of a sudden there is no means to provide for the needs of society in a social context.

That is where it all crumbles down and the reason why so many States failed.
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Re: Communism in Practice: Diasaster after disaster!

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:44 pm

Paphitis: A couple of points ………………..
The employee gets his fair wage and proper safe work conditions and benefits as is driven by the market and dictated by the union and industrial relations.

So does the employer but why should the employer then take the lions share of all the profits in addition to all his other benefits? Without those that created his wealth for him he would be left only with the profit he could make on his own.
But you can't really put a case for an orderly or a Nurse earning the same as them. (Surgeons/anaesthetist's)

As I said, the level of pay reflects the level of responsibility, education and skills required for any profession/job. It is the vast difference between the very top and those at the bottom, which has to be closed.
An equal share of the profits is just unrealistic.
It isn’t really! If the workforce (from the CEO to the security guy) were paid a reasonable wage commensurate with their qualifications and job responsibilities but their overall remuneration was dependent upon a share of the profits, then the workers would be far more likely to identify those that didn’t pull their weight, identify incompetent management that were costing the company and generally ‘police’ the workforce. Shareholders get an equal dividend per share, why should employees not get the same consideration?
It's the same with Banking. The Financial Serviced Industry does work and has its way of providing safe financial products. All we need is for the Banks to have tighter regulations to keep the system working fairly and safely for the public.

Our whole financial and trading system is geared to the banks and it is the way it is structured that is the primary reason that it is failing! It is also not an ‘industry’ it is (or should be) a service provider, but it does however create something but unfortunately it is nothing but continuous DEBT!!!!!!! The bankers are also so powerful now that they own governments so any regulation is removed which prevents these extreme practices.


If you watched both the YouTube videos I posted, they explain the problems and the remedies far better than I can ……………. And without a shadow of doubt the banking/financial system is a house of cards which is becoming progressively more unstable! It is a massive Ponzi scheme and like all such schemes it WILL collapse. I believe that four things will have to change:

• The Glass Steagall Act of 1933 has to be reinstated globally. This will separate the commercial and investment banks and prevent protective legislation intended for commercial banking being used to protect investment (casino) banks.

• The updating of the Bank Charter Act of 1844 to reinstate the States roll to create ALL money, not just note and coin, which represents only 2% of the money in circulation. Currently 98% of the money in circulation is created by private commercial banks, out of thin air as debt and at interest.

• The Central Banks will be returned to the people (Government/Treasury) instead of being owned and run by the private banks, and it will be the Central Banks that will create all money, including electronic money, debt free and without interest.

• Each country will adopt its own sovereign currency but not necessarily an internationally traded one in every case.


For any of these ideals to replace Capitalism, the entire Financial Industry, markets (the way goods and services are traded) will need to be disbanded. It sounds like Anarchy to me and on top of this there is no incentive for people to aspire to greater things and consequent greater rewards so all of a sudden there is no means to provide for the needs of society in a social context.

This change to the system you reference, is happening already! The US sanctions imposed on Russia was an act of war. Their response has been to look East, start the divorce proceedings from the western dominated banking and monetary system and the BRICS nations are all drifting in that direction as well. You can see the result of ‘incentives’ when you look at the extremist banking system …………….. your incentives have been transformed into unbridled greed. The satisfaction you get from a job and the way it benefits the community as a whole (as RW points out) is also an incentive. It is not all just about making money!

Things are going to change and sooner than you may think! :roll:
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Re: Communism in Practice: Diasaster after disaster!

Postby tsukoui » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:22 pm

Paphitis, in many ways you are right, communism in practice: disaster after disaster is very apt. If you had read Marx you would know that "communism" is merely the name he gave to the stage after capitalism, though some prefer to add intermediary stages. We keep trying. So far our attempts have been about as clever as robots making everything for us whilst the majority starve. The world proceeds dialectically. The individual? Now that's another matter.
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