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[GreekIslandGirl]

I think it is time that Australia and New Zealand commemorated their loses of Gallipoli on their own soil from now on as well as any other nation. I mean, wtf! Why go half way around the world to remember your fallen soldiers when you should be remembering them on your own soil with your own people? The Aussies and Kiwis can take turn on each other's country and keep it away from Turkey so not to let Erdogan and Gang to politicize it ever again.

Completely agree with you, Kiks. Fine to visit a father's memorial or such close kin, after some/several years. But after so many years, visiting a great, great etc uncle's place of death is rather dire. It would be like me visiting Marathon because a distant relative died there some centuries ago ...

And I agree with you, GIG!

Really? Do you disagree with the commemorations by Americans, and Canadians for D Day? It is exactly the same thing.

Every country has a right to commemorate the dead and most of all, the relatives of the fallen and all those who served amid incredible hardship.

Even Turkey has a right to commemorate those who defended the Peninsula.

Whether you like it or not, these areas will always be very important to the countries that have their dead buried there. Or is that somehow different because it's in France and not Turkey?

In the USA we have a Federal holiday called the "Memorial Day" end of May, which is to remember ALL fallen personel in the arm forces dating back to the American Civil War. What more do we need? As for those who go to visit France for D-Day, is because we won the war.

Allies lost soldiers by the thousands ALL over Europe during WWI & WWII. Who visits them? No one. Only to the Areas where the landing took place on D-Day.

I don't see anyone going to Vietnam, Korea or any other country in South East Asia and Middle East to commemorate our fallen soldiers in those counties or anywhere else for that matter, other than D-Day. US lost at least 56,000 troops each in Vietnam and Korea alone. Yes, we have memorial places for those dead in Washington to remember them, but no special trips to South East Asia, except by individuals if they wish to go for themselves. Does Australia send a delegation every year to commemorate their 500+ dead in Vietnam? What about in Korea?

We also have another Federal holiday, "Veterans Day" in November, for ALL those who have served in the arm forces.

Brilliant analysis.

[Paphitis]

Not so.

I told you that ANZAC Day is commemorate all fallen in all wars that Australia participated in.

It was also a battle that Australia lost. Probably, Australia is unique in the way it uses a war that was lost in order to commemorate all the fallen and to thank all those that served and are serving. This is unlike Greece for instance which only commemorates wars it had won.

The sacking of Smyrna for instance is not commemorated at an official capacity, but Greece continues only with wars that it had won such as 25 Mar (understandable as it is independence day) and OHI Day. Greece also attempts to rewrite history to actually give the image that its actions were brave against all odds such as when metaxas was claimed to say the BIG NO to the AXIS. I mean let's be serious here. No other country said NO to the AXIS? Britain, Russia, Australia, France, or USA? Are you serious? Obviously, you become pretty transparent when you need to manufacture your "glory. All we hear about is the defeat of the Italians into Albania. We hear nothing about the annihilation Greece faced when the Germans came to the rescue and all the Greek Forces could do was retreat and capitulate. Australia teaches all its war history. Greece only teaches the good 'glorious' parts!

Obviously a very clear and blatant attempt to glorify Greece, whilst Australia will only commemorate the fallen wherever they lay and in wars which were lost. Obviously, the sacrifice of the fallen is the important factor for the Australians, not some neo nationalism to force feed down the throats of young kids such as the so called "Secret Schools" which never actually existed during the Ottoman period! Oh the shame of it all!

Here is another commemoration of a battle lost!

http://video.army.gov.au/play/prcDVyczp ... BLKXK8ss9g

At the end of the day, Australia is probably very unique in the way it commemorates its fallen. if it were Greece, there would be nothing taught at schools. Gallipoli would be neglected and almost extinguished from the classroom. Greece concentrates on its victories alone.

Another interesting fact is that Australia places a heavy importance on the battle of Crete commemorations each year despite losing only 500 troops with 2000 odd casualties. This is a small number compared to Gallipoli. Does Greece commemorate the Battle of Crete in the same way. I will let you be the judge of why!

I hope you like this analysis!

[Paphitis]

Brilliant analysis.

And that my dear is the difference between Greece and Australia.

Greece sees war as some kind of Football Match. Let's celebrate our victories and not talk about our lost wars. Let's not talk about our lost matches, only Euro 2004.

Australia doesn't see it that way. Every war, every battle, where Australians gave a good account of themselves (there are none where they didn't) is commemorated equally.

Otherwise, Australia would just commemorate the day it declared war on Germany and Japan like Greece does when it declared war on Germany and Italy (OHI day)! I guess, Australia never had to manufacture its war history like Greece had to.

And even then, WW2 history seems to disappear the minute the Germans arrive and completely smash the Greeks. Why is that?

Is it because they were no longer true to the "Spartan warrior" image you still bang on about after 2500 years? Just asking dear!

If Australia were in Greece's shoes, they would commemorate Smyrna Day.

[miltiades]

Brilliant analysis.

And that my dear is the difference between Greece and Australia.

Greece sees war as some kind of Football Match. Let's celebrate our victories and not talk about our lost wars. Let's not talk about our lost matches, only Euro 2004.

Australia doesn't see it that way. Every war, every battle, where Australians gave a good account of themselves (there are none where they didn't) is commemorated equally.

Otherwise, Australia would just commemorate the day it declared war on Germany and Japan like Greece does when it declared war on Germany and Italy (OHI day)! I guess, Australia never had to manufacture its war history like Greece had to.

And even then, WW2 history seems to disappear the minute the Germans arrive and completely smash the Greeks. Why is that?

Is it because they were no longer true to the "Spartan warrior" image you still bang on about after 2500 years? Just asking dear!

If Australia were in Greece's shoes, they would commemorate Smyrna Day.

I hope you are not suggesting that the Cypriots ought to be celebrating the ....Turkish invasion of 1974 !!!

[Paphitis]

Brilliant analysis.

And that my dear is the difference between Greece and Australia.

Greece sees war as some kind of Football Match. Let's celebrate our victories and not talk about our lost wars. Let's not talk about our lost matches, only Euro 2004.

Australia doesn't see it that way. Every war, every battle, where Australians gave a good account of themselves (there are none where they didn't) is commemorated equally.

Otherwise, Australia would just commemorate the day it declared war on Germany and Japan like Greece does when it declared war on Germany and Italy (OHI day)! I guess, Australia never had to manufacture its war history like Greece had to.

And even then, WW2 history seems to disappear the minute the Germans arrive and completely smash the Greeks. Why is that?

Is it because they were no longer true to the "Spartan warrior" image you still bang on about after 2500 years? Just asking dear!

If Australia were in Greece's shoes, they would commemorate Smyrna Day.

I hope you are not suggesting that the Cypriots ought to be celebrating the ....Turkish invasion of 1974 !!!

You don't celebrate these events. You commemorate those who were killed so that they are not forgotten.

There is a huge difference.

Geex man, it's not as if you are gonna have a party.

[miltiades]

Brilliant analysis.

And that my dear is the difference between Greece and Australia.

Greece sees war as some kind of Football Match. Let's celebrate our victories and not talk about our lost wars. Let's not talk about our lost matches, only Euro 2004.

Australia doesn't see it that way. Every war, every battle, where Australians gave a good account of themselves (there are none where they didn't) is commemorated equally.

Otherwise, Australia would just commemorate the day it declared war on Germany and Japan like Greece does when it declared war on Germany and Italy (OHI day)! I guess, Australia never had to manufacture its war history like Greece had to.

And even then, WW2 history seems to disappear the minute the Germans arrive and completely smash the Greeks. Why is that?

Is it because they were no longer true to the "Spartan warrior" image you still bang on about after 2500 years? Just asking dear!

If Australia were in Greece's shoes, they would commemorate Smyrna Day.

I hope you are not suggesting that the Cypriots ought to be celebrating the ....Turkish invasion of 1974 !!!

You don't celebrate these events. You commemorate those who were killed so that they are not forgotten.

There is a huge difference.

Geex man, it's not as if you are gonna have a party.

You are invited to ....my 69th birthday bash on May 9th in Limassol .
Culinary delicasies will include ...karaolous and ...ameledita. Russian caviar, Cypriot hot and cold mezedes, NO AMBELOPOULIA, but quails eggs !!!

[Lordo]

you invading canakkale again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32432725

[Paphitis]

you invading canakkale again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32432725

There is an Amada sailing through the straights. Certainly looks quite impressive.

Quite a number of Heads of State too.

[Lordo]

they are welcome to visit and see the damage they caused. over 100 000 people killed thanks to their action.

Çanakkale içinde aynalı çarşı
Ana ben gidiyom düşmana karşı
Of gençliğim eyvah

Çanakkale içinde bir uzun selvi
Kimimiz nişanlı kimimiz evli
Of gençliğim eyvah

Çanakkale üstünü duman bürüdü
On üçüncü fırka harbe yürüdü
Of gençliğim eyvah

Çanakkale içinde toplar kuruldu
Vay bizim uşaklar orda vuruldu
Of gençliğim eyvah

Çanakkale içinde bir dolu testi
Analar babalar umudu kesti
Of gençliğim eyvah



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eltPkGySVYQ

[Paphitis]

they are welcome to visit and see the damage they caused. over 100 000 people killed thanks to their action.

Çanakkale içinde aynalı çarşı
Ana ben gidiyom düşmana karşı
Of gençliğim eyvah

Çanakkale içinde bir uzun selvi
Kimimiz nişanlı kimimiz evli
Of gençliğim eyvah

Çanakkale üstünü duman bürüdü
On üçüncü fırka harbe yürüdü
Of gençliğim eyvah

Çanakkale içinde toplar kuruldu
Vay bizim uşaklar orda vuruldu
Of gençliğim eyvah

Çanakkale içinde bir dolu testi
Analar babalar umudu kesti
Of gençliğim eyvah



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eltPkGySVYQ

Abdul shouldn't have entered the war then on Germany's side. Then you wouldn't have lost 100,000.

Fair enough Abdul?

We did a lot of good too! We use to throw Abdul some canned corned Beef you ungrateful sod!