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[Lordo]

As a "mushroom" I would like to know how the patriots would solve the Cyprus problem - and please don't waste your time telling us what SHOULD happen - we all know that. We can only reach a solution by talking to the other side - unless you want to go to war with Turkey of course. This is the best opportunity we may ever have to resolve the problem, we thought being in the EU would help, it hasn't because Turkey itself is distancing itself from the club. If we made the right moves we may be able to drive a wedge between the TCs and Turkey causing Turkey rather than the Cypriots to get the blame for failure of negotiations.

so you really dont want peace. you want the negotiations to fail and terggy to get the blame. and i had you down for an average charlui. average at being an ass may be. perhaps not even that.

[Paphitis]

As a "mushroom" I would like to know how the patriots would solve the Cyprus problem - and please don't waste your time telling us what SHOULD happen - we all know that. We can only reach a solution by talking to the other side - unless you want to go to war with Turkey of course. This is the best opportunity we may ever have to resolve the problem, we thought being in the EU would help, it hasn't because Turkey itself is distancing itself from the club. If we made the right moves we may be able to drive a wedge between the TCs and Turkey causing Turkey rather than the Cypriots to get the blame for failure of negotiations.

so you really dont want peace. you want the negotiations to fail and terggy to get the blame. and i had you down for an average charlui. average at being an ass may be. perhaps not even that.

I had you down for an average peanut brain! What a coincidence!

[Jerry]

Jerry, I don't disagree with you. But I disagree with the level of optimism that some have.

If we made the right moves we may be able to drive a wedge between the TCs and Turkey causing Turkey rather than the Cypriots to get the blame for failure of negotiations.

That would be great. But do you think they are stupid? That would not be to the interests of either Turkey or the TCs, because if that happens Turkey would be revealed as being the one preventing a solution and TCs would be revealed as being irrelevant and having no power to negotiate since all shots are called by Turkey. So why would they act in a way that would allow us to drive a wedge in their partnership of crime against Cyprus? Personally I think they are criminal thieves but I don't think they are stupid.

Well actually I do believe that they are stupid, you only need to see what Erdogan and his mob say to those States that condemn the Armenian massacre to see how they are shooting themselves in the foot. Look what their responses have been to the EU and US regarding civil and human rights. Erdogan is an arrogant prick who believes that the world revolves around his "super State", pride comes before a fall. You may be right about Ankinci and what he can achieve but let's give him a bit of encouragement at least and see if we can make some progress, what have we got to lose. Let someone else take the blame for failure of the talks, let it be Turkey.

[Jerry]

As a "mushroom" I would like to know how the patriots would solve the Cyprus problem - and please don't waste your time telling us what SHOULD happen - we all know that. We can only reach a solution by talking to the other side - unless you want to go to war with Turkey of course. This is the best opportunity we may ever have to resolve the problem, we thought being in the EU would help, it hasn't because Turkey itself is distancing itself from the club. If we made the right moves we may be able to drive a wedge between the TCs and Turkey causing Turkey rather than the Cypriots to get the blame for failure of negotiations.

so you really dont want peace. you want the negotiations to fail and terggy to get the blame. and i had you down for an average charlui. average at being an ass may be. perhaps not even that.

Of course I want peace, you do have very limited powers of comprehension don't you. I would like the negotiations to succeed but like others I have doubts about the chances of a breakthrough because of Erdogan's attitude. The Greek Cypriots always get the blame for failed talks as in Annan Plan. Let both sides negotiate in good faith, let the world see that it is the Turkish spanner in the works that brings failure rather than the Cypriots. Perhaps then the the West, EU, UN, Nato and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all will put serious pressure on Turkey to back off.

[Pyrpolizer]

The pseudo state depends on Turkey for its very EXISTENCE. If you can't see this obvious thing then whatever! And we have seen all the kinds of Turkish governments... there is no difference between them when it comes to Cyprus. I remember when some were saying how good Erdogan was and that he would take under control the army and the "deep state" and then Turkey would act differently

What you fail to understand is that their dependence is not a one way road, is not absolute, and the TCs retain a lot of flexibility within it.
Your wife may depend totally on you, but she can turn your life into hell, if the decides to.

[Sotos]

The pseudo state depends on Turkey for its very EXISTENCE. If you can't see this obvious thing then whatever! And we have seen all the kinds of Turkish governments... there is no difference between them when it comes to Cyprus. I remember when some were saying how good Erdogan was and that he would take under control the army and the "deep state" and then Turkey would act differently

What you fail to understand is that their dependence is not a one way road, is not absolute, and the TCs retain a lot of flexibility within it.
Your wife may depend totally on you, but she can turn your life into hell, if the decides to.

That can be the case because I love my wife. Turkey doesn't care about the TCs other than using them to get what she wants. The TCs know this. It is not "one way road". It is two way road, where Turkey gives to the TCs and TCs give back to Turkey. You are the one who expects it to be one way with Turkey to give to TCs whatever they want without taking anything back in return. It doesn't work that way.

[Nikitas]

The chain of meetings is telling, Akinci will first meet with Erdo and then with Anastassiadis.

Presumably he will first agree the joint TC-Turkish stance which he will present to the GCs, and thus define them as the opposition.

Another choice could have been to meet with Anastassiadis first and then go meet Erdo and present him with the Cypriot positions and thus define Turkey as the outsider.

As for Famagusta, as a "military area" under the control of the Turkish army cannot be the object of bargaining by the TCs.

Greece yesterday, via its Foreign Minister said it is not interested in maintaining its guarantor status in a future settlement. Turkey is insistent on this, it prefers to deal with the other guarantors rather than Cypriots when it comes to the Cyprob.

Britain is keeping quiet on the subject.

We talk about our future and take ourselves seriously when the major military power in the area openly and cynically ignores not just the GCs but all communities on the island by calling for negotiations on our future with states that clashed with and killed Cypriots. Not in ancient times but within living memory.

I am eager to see how Akinci will manouver in this scene.

[Pyrpolizer]

That can be the case because I love my wife. Turkey doesn't care about the TCs other than using them to get what she wants. The TCs know this. It is not "one way road". It is two way road, where Turkey gives to the TCs and TCs give back to Turkey. You are the one who expects it to be one way with Turkey to give to TCs whatever they want without taking anything back in return. It doesn't work that way.

Oh yes I forgot your constant fixation that they share the profits they gained on the expense of the GCs.
Now how come those gains are not even enough to finance their administration by 1b euros/year so that they would at least get financial independence from Turkey, only God knows.

[Pyrpolizer]

The chain of meetings is telling, Akinci will first meet with Erdo and then with Anastassiadis.

Actually it was the other way initially. But then after all this fiasco with Erdogan he changed it. Akinci did not even want to visit Ankara. Imo this will be his first and LAST time.

[Lordo]

As a "mushroom" I would like to know how the patriots would solve the Cyprus problem - and please don't waste your time telling us what SHOULD happen - we all know that. We can only reach a solution by talking to the other side - unless you want to go to war with Turkey of course. This is the best opportunity we may ever have to resolve the problem, we thought being in the EU would help, it hasn't because Turkey itself is distancing itself from the club. If we made the right moves we may be able to drive a wedge between the TCs and Turkey causing Turkey rather than the Cypriots to get the blame for failure of negotiations.

so you really dont want peace. you want the negotiations to fail and terggy to get the blame. and i had you down for an average charlui. average at being an ass may be. perhaps not even that.

Of course I want peace, you do have very limited powers of comprehension don't you. I would like the negotiations to succeed but like others I have doubts about the chances of a breakthrough because of Erdogan's attitude. The Greek Cypriots always get the blame for failed talks as in Annan Plan. Let both sides negotiate in good faith, let the world see that it is the Turkish spanner in the works that brings failure rather than the Cypriots. Perhaps then the the West, EU, UN, Nato and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all will put serious pressure on Turkey to back off.

is it no obvious why they got the blame for annan failure as well as all the others. it was because your president negotiated a settlement and then did not support it. you have said no to every single plan that has been proposed. if that is not your fault then whos fault is it charlui. here is nothing wrong with my comprehension, just read what you wrote one more time perhaps this time you will understand what you wrote.