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[Lordo]

mustie you are wrong about members of this forum. pedos would not waste their time here, there are no children here. what we have here is a result of decades of brainwashing of the gc mind by the church and fascist politicians. dont blame them. it is not their fault. the system is at fault. considering these cavemen have been accepted by the eu says more abut the eu then these cavemen.

[Nikitas]

Interesting Youtube vid, it at least dispels the myth that in 1963 the overarmed GCs were on the attack resisted by a handful of TCs armed with antique shotguns. The preparations were on for some time, youngsters inducted, trained and armed with modern weapons supplied by Turkey as is clearly shown in the documentary.

British naval intelligence officer Packard, served in Cyprus with the UNFICYP and in his book "Cyprus, getting it wrong" documents the American view. He describes how he took George Ball, assistant Secretary of State, to see the succesful pacification of several villages where fighting had broken out. Ball getting off the helicopter said to Packard "son, you dont get it, the game here is partition". It seems that they managed to impose it though they are serving it with a polite name- BBF.

And we come to the notorious BBF. How does that differ from partition?

Communal segregation, geographic separation, separate administration- they all signify partition. Plans that entrench this division in perpetuity are partition plans. And hearing how this deal is supposed to be reunifying the island is peculiar. And no one is giving any convincing explanations, especially as to the term RE-unifying. It is not RE unifying, it is a plan to legalise the partition imposed in 1974, at least that is how it looks to a lot of people. Calling these people names and accusing them of being brainwashed by the church evades the issue.

Akinci is one of those committed RE unifiers who insist on BBF. Now let us see what spin he is going to put on this BBF thing to limit its divisive aspects. I will believe it when I see it.

[Lordo]

tcs armed in 1963 you say. and where were you in 1963 and what kind of arms did you see in 1963. i can tell you i witnessed a group men armed with i shot gun, 1 enfield rifle, 3 liveries and 4 shovels. i suspect when this going on, your friend packard was fast asleep in his bed.

when it comes to bbf. you have two choices. bbf or division. you take pick. your dream of unitary one man one vote reducing the tcs to a minority are now well and truly put sleep. you are dreaming. you will never have that becasue like your cousins the serbs you wil never again be trusted to protect tc lives within the law when you have put the tcs through hell. never ever you hear. hear it well. bbf or division and soon.

[Kikapu]

tcs armed in 1963 you say. and where were you in 1963 and what kind of arms did you see in 1963. i can tell you i witnessed a group men armed with i shot gun, 1 enfield rifle, 3 liveries and 4 shovels. i suspect when this going on, your friend packard was fast asleep in his bed.

Lordo, I remember seeing these types of guns in Nicosia in 1963/64 used by the TCs!

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[Nikitas]

Lordo,

I commented on the youtube clip YOU LINKED, it shows several minutes of a TC man detailing how they were inducted into the TC irregulars with an oath of secrecy and trained to use modern arms, which HE mentions by type and name.

Now if you dont like the evidence you cited you got a problem.

The one man one vote system is how ALL federations work. I assume that is how they vote in the trunc.

I have been to several federal countries- Germany, Switzerland, Belgium and in none did I see the measures proposed by the Annan plan. Britain is a federation of sorts, you live there. Is it like the Annan plan?

And thanks for proving my point, that any time anyone challenges BBF and asks how it differs from partition instead of a reasoned argument he gets insults.People are entitiled to know the difference between outright partition and BBF, and THEN make a choice. Presenting the other choice, partition, as a threat is strange coming from the people who fought for it and have enforced it for 40 years. The way the plebiscite questions are structured is not fair, the choice is between things as they are or BBF, how about putting in an additional alternative: territorial adjustment, mutual recognition and the creation of two independent states. I want to see the BBFists respond to that.

It is a rhetorical question naturally, there is no way in the world that Turkey would tolerate a truly independent GC state, with all the characteristics of real independence, or even worse, TWO Cypriot states in such close proximity. Putting the third alternative in the plebiscite would uncover the true face of Turkey muy pronto.

[Lordo]

tcs armed in 1963 you say. and where were you in 1963 and what kind of arms did you see in 1963. i can tell you i witnessed a group men armed with i shot gun, 1 enfield rifle, 3 liveries and 4 shovels. i suspect when this going on, your friend packard was fast asleep in his bed.

Lordo, I remember seeing these types of guns in Nicosia in 1963/64 used by the TCs!

300px-Submachine_gun_M1928_Thompson.jpg

how many did you see

and certainly it aint no terggish issue weapon is it now.

[repulsewarrior]

...whatever has been proposed is not a BBF, the Annan Plan was not an acceptable BBF, i feel pretty certain that in any country that is at present existing as a BBF, their population would not vote "yes" for the "plan" or Plan that was and "is" being offered to Cypriots. Intentions are what counts. Cyprus exists, it "belongs" neither to Greeks, or "Greeks", nor to Turks, or "Turks". Cyprus is Cypriot, for Cypriots. I have suggested that if "Greeks" wish to represent themselves they can as the "Turks" have demonstrated, demand a form of self-representation, as Persons. (...haven't they, though, what with the many assassination attempts of Makarios and the coup?) For the rest of us, as Cypriots, if there were Cypriot Constituencies, we could at least choose from the array of distinct identities, which to support as taxpayers, and electors, by living within their territorial jurisdictions. Certainly, as minorities in such a case, it is the State which defends us, and as Nations up to each to demonstrate their Goodfaith, and Goodwill.

Nothing should remove the inalienable Rights we have as Human Beings, as Individuals, as a State. United, and without any other distinction or discrimination, if we have learned anything, we must defend each other.

Akinci, one hopes will have the Flag of Cyprus displayed behind him when he speaks publicly, soon. It is a challenge which i hope that Anastasiades will take not to express himself as the representative of a Constituency, but the President of a State representing Cypriots; to realise that a Greek Constituency should be offered, reciprocally, so that, there can exist a Republic of Cyprus, free from the bias, and influence, of national interests, and influence, because as a Constituency, at another level of Government, Greeks as Greeks, can speak for themselves.

...what is wrong with a Cyprus, where as Individuals Cypriots vote as Cypriots? ...what is wrong with Cypriots by this Freedom choosing Liberty with their vote at another level of government, by where they reside?

Bicommunal is not hard to define, neither is Bizonal, read my manifesto (lol). Read Kikapu's...

Cypriots are wronged by the way the debate is framed today...
...while "Greeks" and "Turks" may have their differences (or the same needs), as Cypriots, the notion of a Cypriot identity, above all this, is ignored. New thinking is needed.
Akinci represents this hope, if he is a Cypriot, first. And a better Leader toward that cause than those that made the same claims before him.

[Kikapu]

tcs armed in 1963 you say. and where were you in 1963 and what kind of arms did you see in 1963. i can tell you i witnessed a group men armed with i shot gun, 1 enfield rifle, 3 liveries and 4 shovels. i suspect when this going on, your friend packard was fast asleep in his bed.

Lordo, I remember seeing these types of guns in Nicosia in 1963/64 used by the TCs!

300px-Submachine_gun_M1928_Thompson.jpg

how many did you see

and certainly it aint no terggish issue weapon is it now.

Does it matter how many of these machine guns I saw? They were held by the TCs on this side of the Green Line. I remember a GC running from the TC side back to the GC side in Nicosia and when a TC with one of these guns did NOT shoot the GC in the back in a crowded area, because no doubt he would have shot many TCs also unintentionally with so many bullets being fired in few seconds. The TC with the gun was scolded by his commander as to why he did not shoot the GC down. Maybe because he was much smarter than his commander.

In those days even Turkey did not issue their own weapons to their own military, so what's your point? The weapons had to be given to the TCs by Turkey, no? Who else would, Lordo? The British?

[Lordo]

you must have an idea.1, 3, 5 , 6.5 , 7. how many did you see. who supplied is another matter, it certainly was not the terggish government. you should first ask who financed the deep-sate of terggy and greace. and then you will run a serious risk of knowing something worthwhile about the cyprus problem

[Kikapu]

you must have an idea.1, 3, 5 , 6.5 , 7. how many did you see. who supplied is another matter, it certainly was not the terggish government. you should first ask who financed the deep-sate of terggy and greace. and then you will run a serious risk of knowing something worthwhile about the cyprus problem

The point is, these machine guns were in circulation in the hands of the TCs and that they were not using only shotguns.

Turkey supplied the weapons to the TCs just as Turkey is now supplying weapons to the opposition in Syria. What does it matter from whom Turkey got these weapons?