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[Paphitis]

Fascinating assumption that Cyprus in the future will never face any external threat therefore it needs no army. And no, external does not mean from Turkey or Greece.

Presumably there will be a coastguard, a sea rescue service, both of which need air craft to carry out their duties, an armed police force, some kind of border protection service run by the federal government, an anti terrorist unit. Now add all these together and they begin to look like what in normal countries they call armed forces.

Circumstances will bring about whatever is needed, whether we like it or not.

imo we would never be able to defend effectively against a major threat without some sort of alliance. The guarantors could be replaced by some defense agreement. Iceland for example is demilitarized while the US has undertaken her protection through a defense agreement.The question is what will we have to pay in return. Well, we do have gas reserves that could pay them on a fair basis, just like the Arabs in the Gulf do.

Oh yeh right.

Do you really think America is going to send its troops to Iceland if Russia invaded them?

They are more likely going to say, "let them go fuck themselves in their igloos"

Sorry, but if you seriously want another country to do your bidding, then they usually want a lot more than just 2% of your GDP. No one is going to Guarantee Cyprus and seriously contemplate sending there troops over to defend you against anyone unless there is something in it for them or you're in NATO.

And to be in NATO, you can't be demilitarized. If their troops are to die defending you, they are going to be expecting your troops to be present too otherwise they're are going to tell you to piss off or make you sign you're arse over and become their little protectorate and colony.

[Pyrpolizer]

Paphiti, whatever Cyprus spends, it's not enough. When you have neighbours like Turkey and assholes like Pyro to deal with we always need more.

Dipshit, if you want to quote me, then quote what I said, not the crap you amend to.

Axriste.

Didn't you notice that I always quote you for reasons of comic relief. What else are you good for other than disgrace the lot of us. There's a Tc girl celebrating Akinci's victory say something ANAPHRE, ANIKANE

[Paphitis]

The only country under occupation which managed to get other countries to fight for them was East Timor and only after major Oil and Gas finds were discovered.

So you can see what the motivation was there. It was the Oil and Gas and Australia wanted to sign agreements to delineate it's EEZ. Well, Australia invaded and Indonesia couldn't run fast enough.

[Pyrpolizer]

Fascinating assumption that Cyprus in the future will never face any external threat therefore it needs no army. And no, external does not mean from Turkey or Greece.

Presumably there will be a coastguard, a sea rescue service, both of which need air craft to carry out their duties, an armed police force, some kind of border protection service run by the federal government, an anti terrorist unit. Now add all these together and they begin to look like what in normal countries they call armed forces.

Circumstances will bring about whatever is needed, whether we like it or not.

imo we would never be able to defend effectively against a major threat without some sort of alliance. The guarantors could be replaced by some defense agreement. Iceland for example is demilitarized while the US has undertaken her protection through a defense agreement.The question is what will we have to pay in return. Well, we do have gas reserves that could pay them on a fair basis, just like the Arabs in the Gulf do.

Oh yeh right.

Do you really think America is going to send its troops to Iceland if Russia invaded them?

They are more likely going to say, "let them go fuck themselves in their igloos"

Sorry, but if you seriously want another country to do your bidding, then they usually want a lot more than just 2% of your GDP. No one is going to Guarantee Cyprus and seriously contemplate sending there troops over to defend you against anyone unless there is something in it for them or you're in NATO.

And to be in NATO, you can't be demilitarized. If their troops are to die defending you, they are going to be expecting your troops to be present too otherwise they're are going to tell you to piss off or make you sign you're arse over and become their little protectorate and colony.

You heavily imply that the Icelanders are idiots....
I don't think so.
Btw I recall the Americans did send their troops to liberate Kuwait when Iraq Invaded

[Paphitis]

Fascinating assumption that Cyprus in the future will never face any external threat therefore it needs no army. And no, external does not mean from Turkey or Greece.

Presumably there will be a coastguard, a sea rescue service, both of which need air craft to carry out their duties, an armed police force, some kind of border protection service run by the federal government, an anti terrorist unit. Now add all these together and they begin to look like what in normal countries they call armed forces.

Circumstances will bring about whatever is needed, whether we like it or not.

imo we would never be able to defend effectively against a major threat without some sort of alliance. The guarantors could be replaced by some defense agreement. Iceland for example is demilitarized while the US has undertaken her protection through a defense agreement.The question is what will we have to pay in return. Well, we do have gas reserves that could pay them on a fair basis, just like the Arabs in the Gulf do.

Oh yeh right.

Do you really think America is going to send its troops to Iceland if Russia invaded them?

They are more likely going to say, "let them go fuck themselves in their igloos"

Sorry, but if you seriously want another country to do your bidding, then they usually want a lot more than just 2% of your GDP. No one is going to Guarantee Cyprus and seriously contemplate sending there troops over to defend you against anyone unless there is something in it for them or you're in NATO.

And to be in NATO, you can't be demilitarized. If their troops are to die defending you, they are going to be expecting your troops to be present too otherwise they're are going to tell you to piss off or make you sign you're arse over and become their little protectorate and colony.

You heavily imply that the Icelanders are idiots....
I don't think so.
Btw I recall the Americans did send their troops to liberate Kuwait when Iraq Invaded

No Icelanders are smarter than Cypriots because they are a member of NATO and they are not fully demilitarized.

They have no legal impediment to having a military. But if they got invaded tomorrow and had to be saved, they will pay a huge price for it. Not that it is likely they will be invaded. It's not as if they are in the East Mediterranean like Cyprus is.

You have Turkey, Lebabon, Israel and Egypt as your neighbours. You have Hessbollah, Islamic State, and Al Nusra a stone throws away. What are you going to do if you suddenly have thousands of boat refugees from Syria or North Africa like Italy and Malta?

Good luck with demilitarization.

[Pyrpolizer]

No Icelanders are smarter than Cypriots because they are a member of NATO and they are not fully demilitarized.

They have no legal impediment to having a military. But if they got invaded tomorrow and had to be saved, they will pay a huge price for it. Not that it is likely they will be invaded. It's not as if they are in the East Mediterranean like Cyprus is.

You have Turkey, Lebabon, Israel and Egypt as your neighbours. You have Hessbollah, Islamic State, and Al Nusra a stone throws away. What are you going to do if you suddenly have thousands of boat refugees from Syria or North Africa like Italy and Malta?

Good luck with demilitarization.

Same thing we do now. Nothing, just host them. The militia drink Nescafes all day, no need to disturb them.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The first wave of demilitarization has to be Turkey's military OUT of Cyprus.

The second wave of demilitarization has to be British/American Bases OUT of Cyprus.

Then, Cyprus should become a Base for the EU Joint Military Forces with the biggest guns pointing at Turkey!

There's no way the EU would want one of their states free for the taking by outsiders, ever again. (Try asking Britain to demilitarize the 'Falklands' ).

And, whilst we are at it, feck the Treaty of Lausanne that Turkey has ignored, anyway, and fully militarize all the Aegean islands!

[B25]

Paphiti, whatever Cyprus spends, it's not enough. When you have neighbours like Turkey and assholes like Pyro to deal with we always need more.

Dipshit, if you want to quote me, then quote what I said, not the crap you amend to.

Axriste.

Didn't you notice that I always quote you for reasons of comic relief. What else are you good for other than disgrace the lot of us. There's a Tc girl celebrating Akinci's victory say something ANAPHRE, ANIKANE

You are the disgrace to us pezevenki, you and your treAchourous ways, hade gamisou.
I couldn't give a f is she was a TC or your bitch, I don't celebrate such pseudo occupation false elections, dickhead. Unlike you I would sell my country to save a few pennies and kiss Turkish ass like you do.

[Pyrpolizer]

Paphiti, whatever Cyprus spends, it's not enough. When you have neighbours like Turkey and assholes like Pyro to deal with we always need more.

Dipshit, if you want to quote me, then quote what I said, not the crap you amend to.

Axriste.

Didn't you notice that I always quote you for reasons of comic relief. What else are you good for other than disgrace the lot of us. There's a Tc girl celebrating Akinci's victory say something ANAPHRE, ANIKANE

You are the disgrace to us pezevenki, you and your treAchourous ways, hade gamisou.
I couldn't give a f is she was a TC or your bitch, I don't celebrate such pseudo occupation false elections, dickhead. Unlike you I would sell my country to save a few pennies and kiss Turkish ass like you do.

Really?

[B25]

Didn't you notice that I always quote you for reasons of comic relief. What else are you good for other than disgrace the lot of us. There's a Tc girl celebrating Akinci's victory say something ANAPHRE, ANIKANE

You are the disgrace to us pezevenki, you and your treAchourous ways, hade gamisou.
I couldn't give a f is she was a TC or your bitch, I don't celebrate such pseudo occupation false elections, dickhead. Unlike you I wouldn't sell my country to save a few pennies and kiss Turkish ass like you do.

Really?