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[Lordo]

Our government want to remove it because criminals from other countries that we want to get rid of are abusing the Human rights act that they have a right to live with their family . It's a Lisa of bull shit. These are criminals that take other people's human rights not to be murdered or raped etc etc and they want equal treatment in return. I say anyone that infringes on anirptger persons human rights automatically forfeits their human rights.

not in my name musti.
if you have somebody who has been shown in a court of law beyond any reasonable doubt that they are indeed terrorists and aere intending to harm our country, i would say after a fair trial if found guilty then do as you wish. but this is not what is happening. they pick up somebody on the say so of another and put him into belmarsh and label him as a terrorist. from that point onward
1. they are not allowed to see what they are being held for.
2. they are not allowed to attend any court for their trial
3. they have a choice of release but they have to normally be released to a country that would torture them.
4. some are not even taken to court because there is no evidence.


these people are not terrorists until their guilt is proven. if our civilisation as as described, there is no civilisation.

take the case of abu qatada, he was held for years and never charged. then he was sent to jordan tried and found not guilty. so why was he held for those years if there no evidence. our civilisation is what makes us, they way you are thinking is no different than the terrorists you dislike.

Sorry, but this domain is the responsibility of the countries Intelligence Services. For these bodies to function, they have to violate certain people's "Human Rights" to begin with because the mere fact they have people in Britain and overseas under surveillance could be deemed as a violation against their right.

There is no going to a Court in order to get a warrant under these matters. The surveillance just occurs whether you like it or not. And they do it in order to not allow the wrong persons to enter their country and blow 100 people up in a busy train station or something.

They also have the right to take people's passports from them and its all fair enough if they have gone to Syria to fight for the cutthroats.

Some things like this are done for National Security and do not belong in the court system where idiots like YOU have a say. There is no DEMOCRACY in National Security so jam it. If a terrorist attack occurs tomorrow, the people will be the first to criticize the Government and the Intelligence Community for letting this get through the cracks.

holding somebody in jail for 8 years with no evidence and no trial should not be possible never mind all of that and then be tried in another country to then be found not guilty.
no evidence no incarceration.
let alone hold somebody and not tell them why
not be able attend their own trial. this sort of trial happens in the saudi arabia and has no place in a civilised society.
if a person suffers as such those who in authority who caused it should be brought to account.
as bobby kennedy said to the red neck sheriff, you cannot arrest people on what they might do.

how long have you swine been feeling the red neck virus.

[Kikapu]

Our government want to remove it because criminals from other countries that we want to get rid of are abusing the Human rights act that they have a right to live with their family . It's a Lisa of bull shit. These are criminals that take other people's human rights not to be murdered or raped etc etc and they want equal treatment in return. I say anyone that infringes on anirptger persons human rights automatically forfeits their human rights.

not in my name musti.
if you have somebody who has been shown in a court of law beyond any reasonable doubt that they are indeed terrorists and aere intending to harm our country, i would say after a fair trial if found guilty then do as you wish. but this is not what is happening. they pick up somebody on the say so of another and put him into belmarsh and label him as a terrorist. from that point onward
1. they are not allowed to see what they are being held for.
2. they are not allowed to attend any court for their trial
3. they have a choice of release but they have to normally be released to a country that would torture them.
4. some are not even taken to court because there is no evidence.


these people are not terrorists until their guilt is proven. if our civilisation as as described, there is no civilisation.

take the case of abu qatada, he was held for years and never charged. then he was sent to jordan tried and found not guilty. so why was he held for those years if there no evidence. our civilisation is what makes us, they way you are thinking is no different than the terrorists you dislike.

Lordo, if and when the above happens, then I agree with you, that there is no justification for it happening. This is not how countries in the west should behave, but I don't know how all this relates to Cyprus and me asking for one of the protections for all Cypriots is to have Human Right alongside with ALL the other rights.

[Kikapu]

now there you have it, you see under bbf we will also have one way of it too.

you blithering idiot. where the hell is the human rights of people being held at belmarsh with no trial even now when the eu human rights apply. cant get it right you say. too furquin right it aint good enough but it does not stop shitheads like you suggesting we can trust gcs with them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3714864.stm

you can take your eu human rights and i do believe you shall be fee to shove them which ever orifice of yours you prefer.

So what you are saying is, you don't want any kind of Human Rights at all, and Cypriots are suppose to trust you with that kind of a system, is that it?

you really are something else. where did i say such a thing. of course we are going to have human rights under bbf. our human rights will be to protect the two communities. stop one taking control of the other. what can be more human right then to exists.

Easy. I ask for Human Rights in Cyprus and you tell me to stick it, so the conclusion has to be, you are not in favour of Cyprus having any Human Right protections.

The below quote by you has nothing to do with Human Rights at all. It has everything to do with Democratic rights, Rule of Law and Equal Citizenship for ALL Cypriots. If the TCs & GCs accepts these principles, then their rights will be protected, just as you want.

our human rights will be to protect the two communities. stop one taking control of the other.

[Lordo]

you mean the way they guarantee the muslims in sebrenica. the europeans cannot guarantee themselves how the hell are they going to guarantee the tcs. i told you before and i will tell you again, the tcs will decide the matter for themselves. nobody else has a say on the matter. it it the tcs human right to decide their own future. you do believe in human rights right.

[Lordo]

not even tasos p mentioned the tog in 2004. at no time in the past has there been a call for the tog to be amended or removed and he was against peace full stop. what is the real reason for bringing it up. is this the get out clause for anastasiades and is he planning to scraper in the last moment. tasos p did it i wonder if mr nasty has something up his sleeve.

http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/06/14/guarantees-should-not-be-the-main-issue/

[Kikapu]

you mean the way they guarantee the muslims in sebrenica. the europeans cannot guarantee themselves how the hell are they going to guarantee the tcs. i told you before and i will tell you again, the tcs will decide the matter for themselves. nobody else has a say on the matter. it it the tcs human right to decide their own future. you do believe in human rights right.

Now you are off to another unrelated topic with Srebrenica.

TCs in Cyprus agreeing to one citizenship, one idendity and one country will have ALL the same rules as anyone else, or do you think after the TCs agree to these principles, they will want to have a "parallel state" in Cyprus. If so, not a chance. The north and South states will run their own states by and large, but under the umbrella of the Federal Government and it's rules.

Do you get it?

[Lordo]

you mean the way they guarantee the muslims in sebrenica. the europeans cannot guarantee themselves how the hell are they going to guarantee the tcs. i told you before and i will tell you again, the tcs will decide the matter for themselves. nobody else has a say on the matter. it it the tcs human right to decide their own future. you do believe in human rights right.

Now you are off to another unrelated topic with Srebrenica.

TCs in Cyprus agreeing to one citizenship, one idendity and one country will have ALL the same rules as anyone else, or do you think after the TCs agree to these principles, they will want to have a "parallel state" in Cyprus. If so, not a chance. The north and South states will run their own states by and large, but under the umbrella of the Federal Government and it's rules.

Do you get it?

how is it not related was it not the dutch who were guaranteeing them. answer the previous post. taso p who never had any intention of agreeing to peace never even mentioned tog. why not. even after when he mentioned 8 things he said if changed would bring peace never mentioned them. are they deliberate putting obstacles in front of peace negotiators to stop the peace process. cause you are doing a grand job. and the terggs appreciate your efforts. you must be on mit payroll i am certain.

[Kikapu]

you mean the way they guarantee the muslims in sebrenica. the europeans cannot guarantee themselves how the hell are they going to guarantee the tcs. i told you before and i will tell you again, the tcs will decide the matter for themselves. nobody else has a say on the matter. it it the tcs human right to decide their own future. you do believe in human rights right.

Now you are off to another unrelated topic with Srebrenica.

TCs in Cyprus agreeing to one citizenship, one idendity and one country will have ALL the same rules as anyone else, or do you think after the TCs agree to these principles, they will want to have a "parallel state" in Cyprus. If so, not a chance. The north and South states will run their own states by and large, but under the umbrella of the Federal Government and it's rules.

Do you get it?

how is it not related was it not the dutch who were guaranteeing them. answer the previous post. taso p who never had any intention of agreeing to peace never even mentioned tog. why not. even after when he mentioned 8 things he said if changed would bring peace never mentioned them. are they deliberate putting obstacles in front of peace negotiators to stop the peace process. cause you are doing a grand job. and the terggs appreciate your efforts. you must be on mit payroll i am certain.

You are trying to compare Oranges and Apples with Srebrenica, a terrible civil war events during the break-up of Yugoslavia, a non-EU country.

Look how many thousands GCs Turkey killed in Cyprus in '74, a so-called "guarantor" country to Cyprus no less, and you want to talk about Srebrenica? Are you for real?

In my opinion Tasos was not interested in agreeing to AP on Turkey's terms, but instead getting the RoC into the EU first. The less Tasos demanded, the more Turkey demanded, a game that Turkey fell into Tasos's trap, securing a OXI from the GCs, which was the right vote under the circumstances. Tasos just went through the motions making Turkey and few others believe Turkey was going to get Cyprus on a platter to do what it wanted with it with the UK, because he knew he wasn't going to get anywhere with Turkey on making demands to have EU norms for Cyprus. Turkey doesn't even want EU norms for Cyprus today to have peace when the RoC is already in the EU, let alone before Cyprus was in the EU.

I know UK and Turkey were salivation at the mouth with the prospect of the GCs voting a "YES" on the AP. It has been proven many times since 2004 that the AP was a bad plan for ALL Cypriots, including the TCs by the way, unless you got your head all the way up Turkey's and UK's ass, for you to see what the AP was ALL about. Imagine Erdogan today on Cyprus with AP as a "YES" vote. Hell, he calls the TCs parasites with an "OXI" vote on the AP. Imagine what he would have done to the TCs with a "YES" vote on the AP. He doesn’t even believe Democracy in his own country in Turkey, let alone wanting Democracy in Cyprus!

[Lordo]

so what exactly were the dutch doing there and were they not european. and there you are suggesting that eu can guarantee the tcs. its your ears are not hearing what you are saying. you have apple pie in your mind trying to put oranges in it.

when it comes to tasos trapping turkey. of course you are right and and he also trapped another 200,000 settlers with terggy. and the settlers of course are grateful i can assure you. you talk about 74 but you forget it was greace who arranged a coup and began killing gcs first. and i suppose once they finished with the gcs who opposed them they were about to invite the tcs to a tea party in a gas chamber. you have one hell chip on your shoulder old man and it is blocking your vision somewhat.
when it comes to the plan of 2004 not only terggy but greace the eu the un and usa agreed with it. it is the gcs who have lost most and will lose more in the next plan and if they say no again that will be the end of the talks for unification. the current situation will continue till un finally realises that it was a mistake to allow the gcs to take full control of roc.

[Kikapu]

so what exactly were the dutch doing there and were they not european. and there you are suggesting that eu can guarantee the tcs. its your ears are not hearing what you are saying. you have apple pie in your mind trying to put oranges in it.

when it comes to tasos trapping turkey. of course you are right and and he also trapped another 200,000 settlers with terggy. and the settlers of course are grateful i can assure you. you talk about 74 but you forget it was greace who arranged a coup and began killing gcs first. and i suppose once they finished with the gcs who opposed them they were about to invite the tcs to a tea party in a gas chamber. you have one hell chip on your shoulder old man and it is blocking your vision somewhat.
when it comes to the plan of 2004 not only terggy but greace the eu the un and usa agreed with it. it is the gcs who have lost most and will lose more in the next plan and if they say no again that will be the end of the talks for unification. the current situation will continue till un finally realises that it was a mistake to allow the gcs to take full control of roc.

For your information, the dutch were in Srebrenica under UN and not under EU.

As for the rest, I can't make you see how bad the AP was. Perhaps you would have had personal gains to make had it gone through, or else, why would you defend such a bad plan as the AP in 2004?