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Should the NATO question be discussed as part of a comprehensive solution?

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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby miltiades » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:18 pm

Cap wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:NATO oxi... Enosis nai


I'll be the first to pack my bags and never look back.
There's no way on Gawd's green earth I'll ever live under an Athen's administration.

What has Greece EVER done for the Cypriot ETHNOS ? fuck all !!
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Get Real! » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:43 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:NATO oxi... Enosis nai

Get an adult to explain life to you.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Paphitis » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:36 am

Maximus wrote:new world order alert thread.

Here is an article you might find interesting Paphitis.

A poll was taken and it basically says that the majority of western NATO ally country's would not intervene militarily to defend an eastern NATO ally if they got in to a military conflict with Russia.

If this research from PEW is true, NATO is a pretty defunct and discredited organization isn't it?

http://www.businessinsider.com/less-tha ... ign=buffer


Cut the crap about the New World Order.

You're in the EU and owned by Bankers, and the USA was trying really hard to save Greece's arse at the G7.

But oh well, some people and their delusions. :lol:
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Paphitis » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:38 am

Cap wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:NATO oxi... Enosis nai


I'll be the first to pack my bags and never look back.
There's no way on Gawd's green earth I'll ever live under an Athen's administration.


I think in Oceanside's case, he was being very sarcastic and trying to be very funny.

And it is funny and quite sad to say the least because that's how many imbeciles use to thing in the 50s, and 60s. Litt;le did the peasants know, that Greece was a member of NATO from 1952. :lol:
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:44 am

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:new world order alert thread.

Here is an article you might find interesting Paphitis.

A poll was taken and it basically says that the majority of western NATO ally country's would not intervene militarily to defend an eastern NATO ally if they got in to a military conflict with Russia.

If this research from PEW is true, NATO is a pretty defunct and discredited organization isn't it?

http://www.businessinsider.com/less-tha ... ign=buffer


Cut the crap about the New World Order.

You're in the EU and owned by Bankers, and the USA was trying really hard to save Greece's arse at the G7.

But oh well, some people and their delusions. :lol:


Hey Paphitis,

You are proving my point about 'a new world order' aren't you?.

Your way off the point. Can you respond and give me your opinion on the information that I posted?
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Paphitis » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:01 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:new world order alert thread.

Here is an article you might find interesting Paphitis.

A poll was taken and it basically says that the majority of western NATO ally country's would not intervene militarily to defend an eastern NATO ally if they got in to a military conflict with Russia.

If this research from PEW is true, NATO is a pretty defunct and discredited organization isn't it?

http://www.businessinsider.com/less-tha ... ign=buffer


Cut the crap about the New World Order.

You're in the EU and owned by Bankers, and the USA was trying really hard to save Greece's arse at the G7.

But oh well, some people and their delusions. :lol:


Hey Paphitis,

You are proving my point about 'a new world order' aren't you?.

Your way off the point. Can you respond and give me your opinion on the information that I posted?


I don't know anything about a New World Order.

Someone made the point that it has something to do with a One World Government. NATO is not the vehicle for it. It is a Military and Intelligence alliance between several countries so that they can better defend themselves as well as look after their interests and maintain their own independence.

Small countries are not overwhelmed by the big countries. Sure the big countries have more clout, but at the end of the day, they all sit around the same table and exercise their one vote.

I would stick to things like EU, NAFTA etc if you want to discuss the New World Order. Perhaps you can look at how countries have been weakened (Greece is the biggest example) and compromised by their so called partners. NATO has been helping Greece for decades and virtually built the Greek Armed Forces from the ground up from 1952 and onwards and today, they can be considered one of the strongest Nations on the planet militarily (I am not exaggerating this).

NATO does not profess any New World Order nor is it a vehicle to push Western Political Ideals or Capitalism as someone suggested. They are many more associations which do this, but NATO is a Defence and Security Cooperation Pact and nothing more.

Nor does NATO push the interests of Bankers. It's really quite interesting that the USA (a major component of NATO) was lobbying the hardest at the G7 (Obama himself was doing this signifying the importance of the issue) in support of Greece's Financial Austerity Proposals and kept insisting how important it was for Greece to reach a viable agreement with its lenders and they were also mentioning things like a "haircut" or major write downs, insisting that the Global Markets will recover from it, but also saying that all the uncertainty is bad for Greece and bad for all of us. That is not looking after Bankers or the NWO, but effectively the USA was on Tsipras' side.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:14 am

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:new world order alert thread.

Here is an article you might find interesting Paphitis.

A poll was taken and it basically says that the majority of western NATO ally country's would not intervene militarily to defend an eastern NATO ally if they got in to a military conflict with Russia.

If this research from PEW is true, NATO is a pretty defunct and discredited organization isn't it?

http://www.businessinsider.com/less-tha ... ign=buffer


Cut the crap about the New World Order.

You're in the EU and owned by Bankers, and the USA was trying really hard to save Greece's arse at the G7.

But oh well, some people and their delusions. :lol:


Hey Paphitis,

You are proving my point about 'a new world order' aren't you?.

Your way off the point. Can you respond and give me your opinion on the information that I posted?


I don't know anything about a New World Order.

Someone made the point that it has something to do with a One World Government. NATO is not the vehicle for it. It is a Military and Intelligence alliance between several countries so that they can better defend themselves as well as look after their interests and maintain their own independence.

Small countries are not overwhelmed by the big countries. Sure the big countries have more clout, but at the end of the day, they all sit around the same table and exercise their one vote.

I would stick to things like EU, NAFTA etc if you want to discuss the New World Order. Perhaps you can look at how countries have been weakened (Greece is the biggest example) and compromised by their so called partners. NATO has been helping Greece for decades and virtually built the Greek Armed Forces from the ground up from 1952 and onwards and today, they can be considered one of the strongest Nations on the planet militarily (I am not exaggerating this).

NATO does not profess any New World Order nor is it a vehicle to push Western Political Ideals or Capitalism as someone suggested. They are many more associations which do this, but NATO is a Defence and Security Cooperation Pact and nothing more.

Nor does NATO push the interests of Bankers. It's really quite interesting that the USA (a major component of NATO) was lobbying the hardest at the G7 (Obama himself was doing this signifying the importance of the issue) in support of Greece's Financial Austerity Proposals and kept insisting how important it was for Greece to reach a viable agreement with its lenders and they were also mentioning things like a "haircut" or major write downs, insisting that the Global Markets will recover from it, but also saying that all the uncertainty is bad for Greece and bad for all of us. That is not looking after Bankers or the NWO, but effectively the USA was on Tsipras' side.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Paphitis » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:42 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:new world order alert thread.

Here is an article you might find interesting Paphitis.

A poll was taken and it basically says that the majority of western NATO ally country's would not intervene militarily to defend an eastern NATO ally if they got in to a military conflict with Russia.

If this research from PEW is true, NATO is a pretty defunct and discredited organization isn't it?

http://www.businessinsider.com/less-tha ... ign=buffer


Cut the crap about the New World Order.

You're in the EU and owned by Bankers, and the USA was trying really hard to save Greece's arse at the G7.

But oh well, some people and their delusions. :lol:


Hey Paphitis,

You are proving my point about 'a new world order' aren't you?.

Your way off the point. Can you respond and give me your opinion on the information that I posted?


I don't know anything about a New World Order.

Someone made the point that it has something to do with a One World Government. NATO is not the vehicle for it. It is a Military and Intelligence alliance between several countries so that they can better defend themselves as well as look after their interests and maintain their own independence.

Small countries are not overwhelmed by the big countries. Sure the big countries have more clout, but at the end of the day, they all sit around the same table and exercise their one vote.

I would stick to things like EU, NAFTA etc if you want to discuss the New World Order. Perhaps you can look at how countries have been weakened (Greece is the biggest example) and compromised by their so called partners. NATO has been helping Greece for decades and virtually built the Greek Armed Forces from the ground up from 1952 and onwards and today, they can be considered one of the strongest Nations on the planet militarily (I am not exaggerating this).

NATO does not profess any New World Order nor is it a vehicle to push Western Political Ideals or Capitalism as someone suggested. They are many more associations which do this, but NATO is a Defence and Security Cooperation Pact and nothing more.

Nor does NATO push the interests of Bankers. It's really quite interesting that the USA (a major component of NATO) was lobbying the hardest at the G7 (Obama himself was doing this signifying the importance of the issue) in support of Greece's Financial Austerity Proposals and kept insisting how important it was for Greece to reach a viable agreement with its lenders and they were also mentioning things like a "haircut" or major write downs, insisting that the Global Markets will recover from it, but also saying that all the uncertainty is bad for Greece and bad for all of us. That is not looking after Bankers or the NWO, but effectively the USA was on Tsipras' side.


Perhaps you can prove NATO's link to NWO?

It's pretty new to me since it was formed before the term was even invented.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:38 am

Paphitis wrote:NATO is changing. It is expanding.

You all understand a little about NATO's Article 5. NATO members are obligated to come to the aid of another member who is under attack. It also applies reasonable assurances that no NATO country is to declare war against another NATO country. This has probably saved Greece and Turkey from war on a number of occasions.

There are 28 full members of NATO, comprising the North American and European areas. Followed closely by the 5 country Treaty known as AUSCANNZUKUS Treaty - comprising AUS, CAN, USA, UK and NZ. The 2 countries which are not NATO members participate as "Associate" partners (AUS, NZ). These countries have their own Article 5 but the idea is that they all be included in the NATO umbrella. It obviously means that they will have to send troops to Europe if one of their allies are attacked and likewise, countries in NATO may be obliged to send troops as far away as NZ if NZ is attacked (unlikely scenario).
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The information that I posted suggests that NATO (the western allies) would not come to the aid of an eastern NATO member or ally country if they were under attack from Russia. Its evolved in to a defunct and discredited organization then.

It pretty much closes the case.

The link to new world order = It is changing and expanding its influence to clandestinely enslave nations.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Paphitis » Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:38 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:NATO is changing. It is expanding.

You all understand a little about NATO's Article 5. NATO members are obligated to come to the aid of another member who is under attack. It also applies reasonable assurances that no NATO country is to declare war against another NATO country. This has probably saved Greece and Turkey from war on a number of occasions.

There are 28 full members of NATO, comprising the North American and European areas. Followed closely by the 5 country Treaty known as AUSCANNZUKUS Treaty - comprising AUS, CAN, USA, UK and NZ. The 2 countries which are not NATO members participate as "Associate" partners (AUS, NZ). These countries have their own Article 5 but the idea is that they all be included in the NATO umbrella. It obviously means that they will have to send troops to Europe if one of their allies are attacked and likewise, countries in NATO may be obliged to send troops as far away as NZ if NZ is attacked (unlikely scenario).
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The information that I posted suggests that NATO (the western allies) would not come to the aid of an eastern NATO member or ally country if they were under attack from Russia. Its evolved in to a defunct and discredited organization then.

It pretty much closes the case.

The link to new world order = It is changing and expanding its influence to clandestinely enslave nations.


What evidence did you post?

This scenario remains untested since it's never happened before probably because of the existence of NATO.

I diasagree of course and because there is no precedence, you have no case.

Russia always was very cautious not to act in a manner that resulted in war with NATO, so obviously they didn't think it were not confident about that either.

One thing I have come to understand about these Treaties in my experience is that their charters are tightly held by the signatories and all countries know their obligations.
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