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Re: the agreement is coming

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:26 pm

Lordo wrote:noooooooooooooooooooo most will be too scared to return. thats what i meant. ask gr and the rest of the fanatics to see if they have the balls to return and live amongst the terggs.
let me put to you this scenario

you have asked for return but in your house there is a tc who already moved twice or even three times in their lifetime living in it since 1974. are you going to insist that they move out and you move in. you must be joking the eu court has already ruled who can insists on a return and unless you have lived in the property till the age of 14, it is not classified as a home and hence your right to return is dependent on the resident. i grant you the rule is wrong in not considering the current resident and how long they have lived there. surely we can change that to look at both and who ever has lived in the property longer after the age of 14 has the choice. you want eu rules you can have eu rules.


You are making assumptions that the Turks will remain post solution.

If this is what you think, there will not be an agreement.

The GC main concerns are their property, the right to enjoy all of their country, democracy and their human rights, the Turks and the settlers and governance.
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Re: the agreement is coming

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:42 pm

Maximus wrote:You are making assumptions that the Turks will remain post solution.

If this is what you think, there will not be an agreement.

The GC main concerns are their property, the right to enjoy all of their country, democracy and their human rights, the Turks and the settlers and governance.

Let the fools dream all they want of mythical political arrangements whereby all their stupidities are accommodated while the overwhelming native majority gets screwed. :lol:

Eventually a future war revolving around the island and its hydrocarbons will settle this matter once and for all, and not “talks” on the buffer zone.
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Re: the agreement is coming

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:52 pm

oh dear boys you are in for a suuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrprrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeee


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Re: the agreement is coming

Postby Mustiejodu » Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:59 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Maximus wrote:You are making assumptions that the Turks will remain post solution.

If this is what you think, there will not be an agreement.

The GC main concerns are their property, the right to enjoy all of their country, democracy and their human rights, the Turks and the settlers and governance.

Let the fools dream all they want of mythical political arrangements whereby all their stupidities are accommodated while the overwhelming native majority gets screwed. :lol:

Eventually a future war revolving around the island and its hydrocarbons will settle this matter once and for all, and not “talks” on the buffer zone.


Who are you referring to as native ?
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Re: the agreement is coming

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:55 pm

Mustiejodu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Maximus wrote:You are making assumptions that the Turks will remain post solution.

If this is what you think, there will not be an agreement.

The GC main concerns are their property, the right to enjoy all of their country, democracy and their human rights, the Turks and the settlers and governance.

Let the fools dream all they want of mythical political arrangements whereby all their stupidities are accommodated while the overwhelming native majority gets screwed. :lol:

Eventually a future war revolving around the island and its hydrocarbons will settle this matter once and for all, and not “talks” on the buffer zone.


Who are you referring to as native ?

The natives are the original inhabitants of a country. They are the exclusive indigenous people of that land for having had first contact with it.

In the case of Cyprus the natives cannot possibly be Ottoman remnants or those who are sure that they are Greeks, for obvious reasons.
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Re: the agreement is coming

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:33 pm

dont be silly according to gig you invited them to cyprus and they came and civilised you. and when you could not get civilised to teach you a lesson they chopped your head off.
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Re: the agreement is coming

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:06 pm

Lordo wrote:noooooooooooooooooooo most will be too scared to return. thats what i meant. ask gr and the rest of the fanatics to see if they have the balls to return and live amongst the terggs.
let me put to you this scenario

1)you have asked for return but in your house there is a tc who already moved twice or even three times in their lifetime living in it since 1974. are you going to insist that they move out and you move in. 2) you must be joking the eu court has already ruled who can insists on a return and unless you have lived in the property till the age of 14, it is not classified as a home and hence your right to return is dependent on the resident. i grant you the rule is wrong in not considering the current resident and how long they have lived there. 3) surely we can change that to look at both and who ever has lived in the property longer after the age of 14 has the choice. you want eu rules you can have eu rules.


1)So what?? Moving from one house to another (when you don't have your own) is common practice. We are not in the 19th century when people were born, raised , got married, had children, and died in the same house, in the same village, in the same few square meters. I personally lived in at least 20 different houses in 3 different districts of Cyprus plus some abroad, before settling to my own.
You and the one who uses my house or the house that I inherited, does not OWN it. The only right he has is to stay there paying rent. No, I will not insist that he gets out of it, but in case I need it (possibly to setup a business or agricultural job around) I will talk to him and try to work things out. Tenants do have rights only when they pay...
2)We didn't need the EU to tell us what is a home and what is a house. However you have to get it out of your mind that living in someone else's property means the property itself belongs to you. Surely it's your home -your nest but this assumes that the owner or the hairs of the owner have given you permission to live in there. Let's forget about the permission due to force majeure reasons. If you still want to reside there you have to pay a fee. In fact I would like the solution to include a clear formula what the rents will be so that we won't have the people arguing with each other. That might as well be the major job of a property committee:Collecting rents or throwing out those who refuse to pay or move.
3) I will personally not force anyone out nor do I want to see it happening to ANYONE be it TC or GC. Even if he doesn't have the money to pay me any fee -imagine an old person whose only income is pension will sign him a paper that he can live there until he dies so that no property committee could harm him. Perhaps there should be a clear procedure in a solution how things should be worked out offering people enough time to adjust or work things our between themselves.

Like I said I don't think getting back properties and go live in them is any top priority either for the majority of TCs or GCs. It is the right of ownership that is top priority. I rather foresee a lot more cases of people who would develop their properties, build shops, hotels, restaurants etc than actually returning to live in their old towns/villages.
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Re: the agreement is coming

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:15 pm

As for the carpetbaggers who built their dream homes on my land I will do them a favor and not demand they demolish it all. Just pay me the current value of similar land in the free areas plus interest from the time they built it, plus any damages they have caused to my adjacent lands by building in the middle.
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Re: the agreement is coming

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:17 pm

you will find that echr has already passed judgement as to what is a home and what is a house. if you lived in your house for more than 14 years of your life it is your home and you have the right to have it returned. if you left younger then it is a house and the current resident has the right to buy it off you.

i like your point number one becasue it will apply to most gcs in a settlement. but with a difference you will be expected to sell it.

i do not agree with your no 2. you cannot pick and chose which bit of the eu regulations you will use. we can all do that.

no 3 is commendable and i presume his property will revert to his children in a similar time scale.
as to gc investing in thenorth you are living in cuckoo land.
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Re: the agreement is coming

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:48 pm

Lordo wrote:you will find that echr has already passed judgement as to what is a home and what is a house. if you lived in your house for more than 14 years of your life it is your home and you have the right to have it returned. if you left younger then it is a house and the current resident has the right to buy it off you.

i like your point number one becasue it will apply to most gcs in a settlement. but with a difference you will be expected to sell it.

i do not agree with your no 2. you cannot pick and chose which bit of the eu regulations you will use. we can all do that.

no 3 is commendable and i presume his property will revert to his children in a similar time scale.
as to gc investing in thenorth you are living in cuckoo land.


Nonsense. Read the ECHR verdict. Actually the verdict said it's not your home because you are not the only heir, and secondly you did not live there for so long. The rest is just arbitrary conclusions coming from ignorant lawyers. Tenants don't have the right to buy, actually they do ONLY when the owner wants to sell. And even then they have to agree on the price. Suppose I have a client who wants to buy it at higher price do you think there is any law that could force me sell it to the tenant? you are just dreaming daytime.
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