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[Lordo]

you are wrong jerry the real problem is the assholes like maxi and soto. if people like them did not exist in the past we would not have the cyprus problem today. they see cyprus as greek. if you cannot see that i feel sorry for you.

[Jerry]

Would you say the same for the more recent Turkish Settlers? A settler that came in 1974 could have children and grandchildren in Cyprus already. So what? Isn't the fact that the Turks keep invading us and keep bringing their Settlers on our island and giving to them our lands the problem in the Cyprus Problem? If the first wave of foreign Turkish Settlers had acknowledged the mistake of their side and accepted freedom and democracy for Cyprus then I would have no problem with them today. But they remain hostile to the native population and an extension of Turkey in Cyprus. They are the excuse that Turkey uses to bring even more of its foreign Settlers on our island. So to me there is no difference between the different waves of foreign Turkish Settlers because they were all bought to our island for the same purpose... to expand the Turkish control over our lands. If you distinguish the waves of Turkish Settlers based on how much time they occupied our lands then sooner or later you will also have to accept ALL the Settlers that Turkey brings to our island using the same reasoning.

The Greek Cypriots recognised the minorities as legitimate citizens of the island in in the Zurich Agreement by definition, that is not the case with the settlers from 1974 onwards. Turkey's current colonisation is illegal under international law, I doubt there were such laws in the 16th century. How far do you want to go back, no doubt the Greeks invaded Cyprus in the distant past, perhaps you should go back to Greece and leave the island to the Choirokoitia. Had Cyprus been less "Greek"and more Cypriot in the last century it's quite possible Turkey would not have regarded it as part of the Hellenic encirclement and left it alone.

[Jerry]

you are wrong jerry the real problem is the assholes like maxi and soto. if people like them did not exist in the past we would not have the cyprus problem today. they see cyprus as greek. if you cannot see that i feel sorry for you.

Yeah right, and Turkey is the most civilised country in the world with no neo-Ottoman ambitions.

PS, don't be sorry , be happy.

[Maximus]

you are wrong jerry the real problem is the assholes like maxi and soto. if people like them did not exist in the past we would not have the cyprus problem today. they see cyprus as greek. if you cannot see that i feel sorry for you.

I see Cyprus as an independent democratic state.

Only a deluded and unreasonable moron would see that as a problem. i.e You.

[Get Real!]

and there were no tcs held concentration camps in limasol and larnaca? are you people for real. do you have any memory of what happened. what a bunch of tossers you gcs are furquin hell. a person makes dick of himself when he does not know his own history. learn it assholes and learn it furquin well.

ankara did more than that. the terks warned you that if you go on a killing spree and kill all the tcs you have in your concentration camps, you will pay for it in blood. which is what saved the tcs in your concentration camps. assholes.

The “concentration camps” you’re getting confused with occurred for 1-2 months during the Turkish invasion. Placing some TCs in camps stopped them from heading north and protected them from GC reprisals. Some were used as prisoner exchange.

It's all a big salad in your head.

[Get Real!]

The Greek Cypriots recognised the minorities as legitimate citizens of the island in in the Zurich Agreement by definition, that is not the case with the settlers from 1974 onwards. Turkey's current colonisation is illegal under international law, I doubt there were such laws in the 16th century. How far do you want to go back, no doubt the Greeks invaded Cyprus in the distant past, perhaps you should go back to Greece and leave the island to the Choirokoitia. Had Cyprus been less "Greek"and more Cypriot in the last century it's quite possible Turkey would not have regarded it as part of the Hellenic encirclement and left it alone.

And if this “bbf” bullshit was to come to pass it would recognize yet another batch of uninvited Turks as “Cypriots”!

Isn't that what’s been happening for the last 450 years?

[Sotos]

Would you say the same for the more recent Turkish Settlers? A settler that came in 1974 could have children and grandchildren in Cyprus already. So what? Isn't the fact that the Turks keep invading us and keep bringing their Settlers on our island and giving to them our lands the problem in the Cyprus Problem? If the first wave of foreign Turkish Settlers had acknowledged the mistake of their side and accepted freedom and democracy for Cyprus then I would have no problem with them today. But they remain hostile to the native population and an extension of Turkey in Cyprus. They are the excuse that Turkey uses to bring even more of its foreign Settlers on our island. So to me there is no difference between the different waves of foreign Turkish Settlers because they were all bought to our island for the same purpose... to expand the Turkish control over our lands. If you distinguish the waves of Turkish Settlers based on how much time they occupied our lands then sooner or later you will also have to accept ALL the Settlers that Turkey brings to our island using the same reasoning.

The Greek Cypriots recognised the minorities as legitimate citizens of the island in in the Zurich Agreement by definition, that is not the case with the settlers from 1974 onwards. Turkey's current colonisation is illegal under international law, I doubt there were such laws in the 16th century. How far do you want to go back, no doubt the Greeks invaded Cyprus in the distant past, perhaps you should go back to Greece and leave the island to the Choirokoitia. Had Cyprus been less "Greek"and more Cypriot in the last century it's quite possible Turkey would not have regarded it as part of the Hellenic encirclement and left it alone.

The Zurich Agreement was forced on us. So another such "agreement" can legalize the newer waves of Turkish Settlers. Would that make them less foreign to Cyprus? Greeks first came to Cyprus many 1000s of years ago. That is literally ancient history. And the Greeks made their own city states in Cyprus ... it is not like the others who expanded their countries and empires by taking what belonged to others (Constantinople -> Istanbul, Londinium -> London etc)

[Jerry]

The Greek Cypriots recognised the minorities as legitimate citizens of the island in in the Zurich Agreement by definition, that is not the case with the settlers from 1974 onwards. Turkey's current colonisation is illegal under international law, I doubt there were such laws in the 16th century. How far do you want to go back, no doubt the Greeks invaded Cyprus in the distant past, perhaps you should go back to Greece and leave the island to the Choirokoitia. Had Cyprus been less "Greek"and more Cypriot in the last century it's quite possible Turkey would not have regarded it as part of the Hellenic encirclement and left it alone.

And if this “bbf” bullshit was to come to pass it would recognize yet another batch of uninvited Turks as “Cypriots”!

Isn't that what’s been happening for the last 450 years?

I'm not so sure the TCs want the settlers to remain either. There have been several references here on CF to their unpopularity recently. If there is "bbf bullshit" and many do stay no doubt they will be confined to the northern state so won't be a problem for us.
Bottom line is how much territory will Turkey return to the southern component state.

[Sotos]

The Greek Cypriots recognised the minorities as legitimate citizens of the island in in the Zurich Agreement by definition, that is not the case with the settlers from 1974 onwards. Turkey's current colonisation is illegal under international law, I doubt there were such laws in the 16th century. How far do you want to go back, no doubt the Greeks invaded Cyprus in the distant past, perhaps you should go back to Greece and leave the island to the Choirokoitia. Had Cyprus been less "Greek"and more Cypriot in the last century it's quite possible Turkey would not have regarded it as part of the Hellenic encirclement and left it alone.

And if this “bbf” bullshit was to come to pass it would recognize yet another batch of uninvited Turks as “Cypriots”!

Isn't that what’s been happening for the last 450 years?

I'm not so sure the TCs want the settlers to remain either. There have been several references here on CF to their unpopularity recently. If there is "bbf bullshit" and many do stay no doubt they will be confined to the northern state so won't be a problem for us.
Bottom line is how much territory will Turkey return to the southern component state.

So basically you agree to give to them the north as long as it is a bit smaller than what they occupy now ... and you also agree to give them 50% say for the whole of Cyprus, basically taking away from the native Cypriots the right to rule their own country. That is not a solution. That is making the problem worst!

[Lordo]

we will not give up anything to anybody. cyprus will be united under bbf and we shall start living together again. under the eu we will be equal what the hell is the problem with that. lets face it you had the golden egg laying chicken and you killed it in 1963.