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[erolz66]

I can assure you that in the USA if a suspect attacked a policeman with a knife he would be shot dead on the spot and the case would be included in the "justifiable homicides". So basically far worst than even what GR is suggesting that should be done. Is the USA a banana republic?

Come on Sotos - can you REALLY not see why your comparison is fundamentally flawed ?

If the policemen had used their truncheon on the suspect WHILST he was (allegedly) attacking them with a PEN knife, then your comparison would be valid. Given what actually happened here for you comparison to be valid you would have to ask, if in the USA a suspect (allegedly) used a PEN knife against the police when being arrested and later, when the suspect had no knife or weapon of any description, two policemen went into a cell with that suspect and shot him dead on the basis that he had PREVIOUSLY attacked them with a pen knife, and someone said that action by the police was the 'correct course of actions' - then YES I most certainly WOULD say that is the view of someone who wants to live in a Banana republic. Would you say otherwise ?

[Get Real!]

You're full of shit Erol...

"9-Year-Old Shot Dead in Ferguson While Sitting in Bed..."

http://www.people.com/article/9-year-ol ... h-ferguson

[Lordo]

anybody who claims that groc is bot banana republic is from the banana family. what was wrong with waiting for a lawyer to arrive and then making him empty his pockets. i dont blame him for not letting them touch his pockets cause they would have slipped couple of packets in his pocket and a 10 year sentence would follow. dont tell me they do not do that.

when it comes to erol living in the north, its a free country assgrhole. its a free country.

[erolz66]

You're full of shit Erol...

High praise indeed given who it is coming from

"9-Year-Old Shot Dead in Ferguson While Sitting in Bed..."

http://www.people.com/article/9-year-ol ... h-ferguson

What are you saying GR ? Are you trying to say that because a 9 year old was shot dead in the USA , that expressing the view that two Cypriot policemen beating up an unarmed suspect being held in a police cell outside of any and all legal process was a 'correct course of action' on the part of the police, is NOT the view of someone who wants to live in a banana republic ?

Can you (and by you I mean all the long term GC posters here) not see a pattern after the years of posting here. A pattern that any time anything 'bad' happens in the RoC, the discussion is not about condemnation and what can be done by us and in general to stop such things happening in the future but becomes focused purely on 'yeah but it is much worse in ...... blah blah blah'.

[Sotos]

I can assure you that in the USA if a suspect attacked a policeman with a knife he would be shot dead on the spot and the case would be included in the "justifiable homicides". So basically far worst than even what GR is suggesting that should be done. Is the USA a banana republic?

Come on Sotos - can you REALLY not see why your comparison is fundamentally flawed ?

If the policemen had used their truncheon on the suspect WHILST he was (allegedly) attacking them with a PEN knife, then your comparison would be valid. Given what actually happened here for you comparison to be valid you would have to ask, if in the USA a suspect (allegedly) used a PEN knife against the police when being arrested and later, when the suspect had no knife or weapon of any description, two policemen went into a cell with that suspect and shot him dead on the basis that he had PREVIOUSLY attacked them with a pen knife, and someone said that action by the police was the 'correct course of actions' - then YES I most certainly WOULD say that is the view of someone who wants to live in a Banana republic. Would you say otherwise ?

But my point is that a person attacking a policeman with a knife (even a small one) would not even make it to a cell in the USA. Are you saying that shooting somebody and killing him on the spot is actually better than beating him up later? And are you saying that people who are under arrest in the USA are not beat up by the police? Here is a video published just a week ago, it shows a policeman in the USA beating up a person who is in handcuffed! A woman is recording the video and apparently another policeman interrupted her recording.


http://boingboing.net/2015/08/15/miami- ... -woma.html

Here is another one a few months ago:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/10/us/ca ... e-beating/

Well thanks for making that clear because from your first post it certainly was not clear that this was your view.

I do not support police brutality. I agree 100% with your FIRST post and I disagree with what GR said. Policemen are not judges to hand out sentences and determine what is an appropriate punishment.

[Sotos]

any time anything 'bad' happens in the RoC, the discussion is not about condemnation and what can be done by us and in general to stop such things happening in the future but becomes focused purely on 'yeah but it is much worse in ...... blah blah blah'.

This is because this is a forum in English and many times those who claim that something is bad in RoC do so by directly or indirectly suggesting that RoC is somehow worst than some other country, "not up to EU standards", "less civilized" etc. Lordo's reply, which was the first reply, was clearly and directly claiming this, and this set the tone for the rest of the discussion. If I had started this thread nobody would reply to me "Turkey is worst" because obviously I couldn't be suggesting the opposite either directly or indirectly.

[erolz66]

I do not support police brutality. I agree 100% with your FIRST post and I disagree with what GR said. Policemen are not judges to hand out sentences and determine what is an appropriate punishment.

Finally some sanity at last.

If I had started this thread nobody would reply to me "Turkey is worst" because obviously I couldn't be suggesting such thing either directly or indirectly.

Do you really believe this Sotos ? That if you had started the thread it would not still have descended into 'yeah but in the USA, turkey etyc etc etc ? I am afraid I do not as someone who has been reading and posting on this forum for over 10 years now.

[Sotos]

I do not support police brutality. I agree 100% with your FIRST post and I disagree with what GR said. Policemen are not judges to hand out sentences and determine what is an appropriate punishment.

Finally some sanity at last.

If I had started this thread nobody would reply to me "Turkey is worst" because obviously I couldn't be suggesting such thing either directly or indirectly.

Do you really believe this Sotos ? That if you had started the thread it would not still have descended into 'yeah but in the USA, turkey etyc etc etc ? I am afraid I do not as someone who has been reading and posting on this forum for over 10 years now.

The second post in this thread clearly makes comparisons. So is it OK to say that RoC is somehow "worst" but not OK to correct this claim? Your post could also be interpreted to have that sort of implied meaning because you are not exactly RoC's most loyal citizen. You think this is something strange that happens only in this forum? If I registered to e.g. a Turkish forum with the user name "Greek Cypriot" and I made a post "Police brutality by Turkish police" saying how shameful it is, do you honestly believe that I wouldn't get replies directing me to police brutality cases by RoC police telling me to mind my own business and stop trying to judge their country?

[erolz66]

If I registered to e.g. a Turkish forum with the user name "Greek Cypriot" and I made a post "Police brutality by Turkish police" saying how shameful it is, do you honestly believe that I wouldn't get replies directing me to police brutality cases by RoC police telling me to mind my own business and stop trying to judge their country?

Yes you would but my point is that I do not find credible your claim that if you had started the thread it would NOT have descended into 'nothing wrong here' and 'much worse else where'. Have a look at this thread.

cyprus41439.html

I do not think APC is know as a TC and hater of the RoC ? Look at the replies before ANY TC comments.

There is a kind of pathology going on here and it seems 'we' can not even identify there is a 'problem' let alone seek to address it.

[B25]

Excellent work by the police.

Bollocks GR, that was bang out of order and those cops should be fired, charged and their asses thrown in jail.

Had he molested or raped a child, I would beat the F shit out of him, but no, this is just not right.

Cops are no angels and many think because they wear the uniform they can do as they liked. Had it been me, those two will be in wheel chairs before their next shift.

I agree with Elroz on this one.