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[insan]

Insan did you really expect anything but exactly the kind of response you have gotten here when you posted ?

If you want to look at ways you might be able to find a rental address in the RoC that you could use to meet the '6 month' rule then I would suggest that you contact reasonable people living in the South who may be able to help directly and off this board. If you would like some names and contact details of such people just ask, I know of several GC who would be more than willing to try and help you with this. I would also suggest you try and contact those TC who are already challenging the RoC '6 month' requirement at the ECHR and consider adding yourself top those pending cases. The 6 month rule was already removed for TC that were not resident in Cyprus in 74, under threat of just such a ECHR ruling. The RoC amended the law literally one day before the ECHR was due to make a judgement, exactly so they could amened it only for those TC not resident in Cyprus in 74 but leave it in place for the rest. It is almost certain that eventually a ECHR ruling or threat of such a ruling will force the RoC to remove this restriction for all cases.

To the other posters in general, you either believe that Cypriots who have lost access to and use of their properties in Cyprus as a result of the events of 74 should be allowed to reclaim them or receive fair compensation for that loss or you do not.

Thanks a lot Erolz... the same extremists here have the same extreme inhumane non civilized attitudes... no surprize at all...

[Oceanside50]

From now on you are igmored bi-

The Turkish clowns have the audacity to ask for our help so they can own/run DUAL properties while harboring and supporting the illegal Turkish puppet regime that restricts ours!

Get outta here you filthy Turkish dog!

Yörrü be domuz deli işinge!

Oee aparro

[repulsewarrior]

...all very valid comments, although a little roughly said.

...find a job, live in the village, get a very modest means of transportation. Take back what belongs to you, so that you can enjoy its benefits, and demonstrate, through action, something worth emulation and esteem. Respect is what the Majority expects, it is what you want, and it is not unreasonable. Trust builds, look around you, Cypriots, call them "Greek", are very reasonable people, move to Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, or Israel, they are not far, and bigger in every way, but...

...humility and Grace, very hard characteristics to fit into ones character; suffer Peace.

Cyprus, the people of Cyprus, its dwellers, need to recognise that the displaced are neither "Greek", or "Turkish", they are Cypriots. Cypriots can only be Free if they choose to defend each other, as Cypriots.

bravo, insan. if i could have done the same i might have.

[B25]

To the other posters in general, you either believe that Cypriots who have lost access to and use of their properties in Cyprus as a result of the events of 74 should be allowed to reclaim them or receive fair compensation for that loss or you do not.

Typical Turkish BS response. Have the GCs access to their properties??? Have you not institutionally sold them to scum bag carpet baggers. Are you compensating any one, not anymore from what I hear, and how many have had them handed back, to live in, sell, rent or whatever. Yet 1 TC comes on here crying about his properties and suddenly we have to bow to his request. It is exactly this attitude that has brought us to where we are today. Minority rule FFS.

As for ECHR rings what a crock of shit, just because the were on the Turkish payroll and rule in favour of the IPC, you think they are the answer. Imagine the invader occupier deciding on your property, is akin to a rapist deciding if he should continue pumping your wife whilst you try to talk him out of it. That must be the best analogy you could get.
Yeah, there are traitors on our side I wish them all go to hell, but hey what can I do.

[Sotos]

the representative of the real estate agency told me "sorry, but the house owners afraid of renting their houses to the jobless... end of my dream residing in south and finding a job to work until i gain right to claim our properties and get them back?

1. Why do you need to first rent a house and then get a job? You can find a job first.
2. The answer you got was from a single house owner. There are plenty of other houses to rent. And if you pay some more money, or pay several months in advance, you being jobless will not be an issue.

[Sotos]

To the other posters in general, you either believe that Cypriots who have lost access to and use of their properties in Cyprus as a result of the events of 74 should be allowed to reclaim them or receive fair compensation for that loss or you do not.

We believe that they should ALL be allowed to reclaim them... no double standards.

[erolz66]

Typical Turkish BS response. Have the GCs access to their properties???

A GC who has lost use of his property in the North as a result of the events of 74, can come and see his property, but not use - just as Isan can go and see his pre 74 property in the South but can not use. I believe all Cypriots who lost as a result of the events of 74 (and earlier) should be able to get fair redress for their loss, be that return, or compensation in equivalent property or money. In short I believe all Cypriots should be treated equally in this regard. You would seem to believe otherwise.

It is exactly this attitude that has brought us to where we are today. Minority rule FFS.

You are the one who would appear to be arguing that some Cypriots should be treated differently to others and / or that two wrongs make a right (because GC lost property because of the events of 74 therefore it is right that TC should also be denied their property). I suggest that it is THIS attitude that has " brought us to where we are today" as much as anything.

As for ECHR rings what a crock of shit, just because the were on the Turkish payroll and rule in favour of the IPC, you think they are the answer.

I give equal weight to the rulings of the ECHR and its legal right to make such rulings, those that could be considered 'favourable' to 'my' side and those that could be considered otherwise. You are the one who would seem to consider the ECHR the be all and end all of defining what is 'just' when it suits you and who also writes it off as being on the 'Turkish payroll' when it does not.

You either want equal justice for all Cypriots who have lost property as a result of the events of 74 or you do not. You either believe that two wrongs do make a right or you do not. Actually it is pretty clear to me what you want, which is justice for 'your' side whilst denying it to 'ours', refutation that the wrong of enforced division by Turkey by force of arms in 74 can be justified by wrongs committed against TC before then, whilst justifying ongoing wrongs against TC who lost access and use of their property in the South based on the wrong done to GC by Turkey in 74.

[erolz66]

1. Why do you need to first rent a house and then get a job? You can find a job first.

Because the law in the RoC states that a TC who wishes to seek to reclaim their pre 74 property in the South must have lived in the RoC for a minimum of at least 6 months before they can even start the process of seeking redress. TC who have met this requirement and have then sought redress have had to fight through the courts for 10 years or more before gaining redress. The '6 month' requirement was challenged by a TC in the ECHR a process that itself took many many years. Literally one day before that case was due to ruled on at the ECHR, the RoC 'settled' with the claimant. The terms of the settlement were that the claimant would be allowed return of their property without having had to reside in the RoC for at least 6 months first and that the law would also be amended such that no other TC in a similar 'category' - that is one that was not resident in Cyprus in 74, would have to do likewise. The reason the RoC settled on these terms was because they feared if it went to a ECHR ruling then they would have made them remove this restriction for any TC and not just those that were not resident in Cyprus in 74. It seems inevitable that sooner or later this 6 month requirement will have to be removed for all TC seeking such redress but as with the case of TC who were not resident in Cyprus in 74, this will only happen after a ECHR ruling or maybe one day before such a ruling is due to be given.

[GreekIslandGirl]

In your haste to post propaganda, you completely failed to even look like you were answering the question!

[erolz66]

We believe that they should ALL be allowed to reclaim them... no double standards.

Who is this we ? Does it include B25 ? GiG ? Get Real ? - shall I go on ?

Do YOU believe that TC seeking to claim redress for their property in the South should first have to reside in the RoC for 6 months before they can even start the very long and legally expensive process to seek redress ?