Pyrpolizer:
Both me and RH supported the view that staying is better and our reasoning was that the country or countries that would opt to abandon the EU would pay a huge price partly as a measure of revenge from the EU and partly because of self isolation. It would be better for all to wait for the final collapse of the EU, whenever that day comes. It will come, neither Greece or Spain or Portugal or Italy or Cyprus are ever going to surface. It's a matter of time before the EU collapses. The UK has just been too hasty.
I would have voted to ‘
remain’, not because it was the right choice but for exactly the reasons you have noted. It was the safe bet... that was all, and it seems that I was right. I have said before and since the referendum, that the biggest single threat to the UK was not the referendum or the resulting majority decision to leave but the revenge of the very people that sparked the referendum in the first place ......... the unelected bureaucrats of the European Commission, that are determined to see a mighty Federal States of Europe with one central government, one military, one constitution and one currency. To do that, they have to demonstrate that the consequences of leaving make it a bad move.
If these were our friends, who needs friends like this? We should retaliate and any threat to the UK should be met with reprisals against the EU States that follow their directives. All we need to do is to speak openly to the other EU States and say ....
“Look the trade system we have is working for us all, if it suits you and it suits us .... then we should agree to trade as we have been for the last 40 years and form reciprocal agreements on trade, commerce and services. The problem we ALL have is with the unelected Commissioners .......... maybe we should have a Pan European referendum on whether we need these Dictators to run the European Economic Community.” Again this is something the Commissioners could not tolerate and it would eventually lead to an uprising of ALL Europeans against these people and the threat their organisations are to everyone in Europe.
..... and it is already happening, 8 Nations have at least 40% who want a referendum:
This FSoE will be dominated by US commercial, military and political interests, which is why Kerry is now poking his unwanted nose into European affairs. It is nothing to do with the US and they should butt out. Maybe they would be better employed in sorting out their own problems.
You commented about self isolation? If we were talking about Cyprus trying to go it alone, I would agree with you but the UK has a strong economy, its own currency and
CAN stand alone. But it won’t have to! Before this year is out a lot more EU member countries will have referendums and it is for that reason the EU Commissioners are determined that a Brexit will be as messy and as damaging to the UK as it possible to make it. If not, it will lead to contagion and their dreams of a Federal Europe will get flushed down the political toilet. Once the avalanche starts they will not be able to stop it.
As for Cameron, he should go on trial! The Captain of a ship that deserts when there is danger gets charged with dereliction of duty. This guy lost the referendum he instigated as a ‘YES’ or ‘NO’ option and just like some of the empty vessels on this forum, spat his dummy and threw his toys out of his pram.
What is helping the EU Commissioners is the army of Brits who did not get the outcome they wanted and are too ready to play the blame game ..... but as we see here most of the angst is directed at the wrong people. All they are doing is selling their own country down the river and damaging the UK's future for both themselves and their families. The UK does not need fair weather friends. It needs genuine friends that will work with the UK to our mutual benefit ..... and that means keeping the US’s nose out of it!
To the disgruntled ‘
Remainers’ I would say ....... The decision has been made ....... we’re leaving, get used to it, stop belly-aching and start to work in the interests of the country instead of your own selfish interests.
From one of our Commission ‘
friends’ in Europe ................
Get out now: EU leader tells Britain it must invoke Article 50 on Tuesday
The European Parliament’s chief called Sunday for British Prime Minister David Cameron to begin formal proceedings to leave the EU at a summit this week. Martin Schulz told German newspaper Bild am Sonntag that a period of limbo over Brexit would ‘lead to even more insecurity and thus endanger jobs’. ‘Hesitating simply to accommodate the party tactics of the British conservatives hurts everyone,’ he said.
TD:
Well, that's OK then. He has unilaterally declared that British citizens will retain their right of free movement within the EU even though we've left. What a jerk! Who could possibly give credibility to these people?
What an absolute Dumbo you are! We have always had access, not only to ALL European countries but countries all over the World. Nothing will change except that it will no longer be an automatic right, we will have to apply to live and work in those countries .......... that is what I see as controlled ‘
immigration’, that is what a part of the referendum addressed, you select those you want/need and are not forced to accept anyone for any old reason because the EU Commissions rules say we have to.
After some 20 years working in the UK, I then worked all over Europe for 10 years and the next 15 in six countries in the Middle East and Far East......... I have never had a problem. Nothing will change! You are scare mongering, because of your own ignorance ......... and you call me an idiot and a moron!
