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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:23 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Just for the benefit of those who didn’t know, it is spelt out here in an article from across the pond:

Why Brexit could ‘kill’ London as a top financial hub

The U.K. exit from the European Union risks costing the City of London billions of pounds, thousands of workers and its spot as the world’s top financial center.
The lost status centers on one simple process that’s complex to undo: passporting.

The mechanism allows British-based financial institutions such as banks, fund managers and insurers to seamlessly sell their services across the 28 EU nations without having to get regulator approval or set up subsidiaries in each member state.

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Never mind. One idiot here went backpacking across Europe in his youth on a British passport before the EU existed and because he was able to go anywhere he wanted in Europe as a tourist, that means free movement existed then and will exist again. Except ... it’s all a bit more complicated than that.


You have also lost the ability to read and understand ..... no wonder you spout so much rubbish! I WORKED and LIVED not only in Europe but outside Europe, I didn't 'back-pack'. unheard of except for hippies! Except to paranoid idiots like you .......... NOTHING will change. :roll:
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:34 pm

Miltiades:
S&P, like other credit agencies, gives an indication to the entire financial world as to a country's ' standing in attracting investment.

Is this the same S&P that had Lehman Bros with an AAA rating the day before it went bankrupt. The same S&P that gave Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac the same AAA ratings when they had toxic mortgage account’s that ran into billions? As I said these credit agencies work in the interests of their customers ........... the Banking system.
Banks are the most important institutions in any nation on this planet. Like or not no nation can thrive in the economic arena without a strong banking sector. A nation can survive without any industry, but can not survive without the banking world.

But if you have no industry what do you invest in? The markets, through these Investment Banks? What do they produce NOTHING ....... they manipulate numbers in a computer on the laws of chaos and probability ...... to you and me that’s called guess work! :roll: Do you really believe this is the essential sector that makes the real economy work? It makes the financial sector work nothing else!

Which banks are you talking about...... Commercial or Investment banks? :?: Commercial banks are essential for the services they can provide for the real economy. They are a part of the process of wealth creation and are an integral part of the manufacturing, wealth creating economy.

Investment banks are the creators of nothing but problems for all of us! They do not reflect what is happening in the real economy and they are no more important than the Casino’s in Las Vegas and Monte Carlo are to the world economy. They produce nothing and do not support wealth creation ...... they turn money, into more money, into more money into more money .......... nothing else.

Listen to the Radio or watch the TV, they are all on about the stock markets, bond markets, commodities markets, currency markets etc.etc. It is a fairy tale world totally divorced from reality. Think about what they are talking about ..... the financial system ..... certainly not the economy. It is a huge gambling system!

Ask yourself a simple question;

What is a share? Answer : it is a receipt for a payment made to a company when an investor gave them money ..... note, GIVE not lend, it is not even an IOU. The Investment banks then play with these pieces of paper using their markets, causing the perceived value of this receipt to rise and fall and every time that happens some bankers somewhere make a few millions for themselves and their clients. It does not create real jobs or real wealth!

What effect does the share value have on the Company the original investor made the payment to? Nothing .... it carries on producing and selling what it produces and sells ...... i.e. it carries on creating real wealth. The Markets simply alter the perceived value of the company, but what happens if you try to sell those shares at their market value ..... the price plummets. Trading on the shares of just a single company can happen at the rate of millions of trades a second. 85% of share transactions in the stock exchanges are now done without human intervention!

Investment banks contribute NOTHING to the economy ...... it’s all just numbers. The EU will use the UK’s reliance on the financial sector to bring the country to its knees .... or at least try. They won’t take the commercial banks, only the investment banks. We DON'T need them ..... it is a totally false economy.

IMO: Let Europe have them ...... and get the UK back onto the path of creating real wealth for everyone, not just bank accounting numbers for the few!
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:40 pm

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If that were the case, no one need lift a finger to do any work again. The country can just sit back and print money. They would need no 'trade deals', no steel industry rescues .... nothing. They can just print all the money they want and do zilch for it. Sounds too good to be true to me ...

You could do just that ...... a basic salary to all! You are still going to get those that want to work to earn more or open businesses to make more money and live at something higher than a subsistence level. It is human nature.

The Swiss recently had a referendum on doing just that, around €2500 a month........... it was rejected by the people, I think mainly because the masses have not the slightest idea how the economy runs. They saw it just as you do ..... paying people for doing nothing, but we do anyway.

Pensions, unemployment benefit, sick benefit, tax credits, child allowance, rate relief, ALL improve the economy. It is spending that keeps the economy going, not savings or the markets ...... in fact they have the opposite effect, they bring the economy down.

Yes, pay them to do nothing all day ...... you have to anyway in this welfare dependent society we have today. Or you could just let all of them starve to death or let them die of diseases caused by poverty .............. or of course you could just have another war! :roll:
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:17 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:On the other hand, I still think the bunch of clowns and buffoons behind the exit campaign have to be put on the spot and told to sort things out.

I take it you don't like Farage... :? :lol:


Correct. I don't like any fascists.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby kurupetos » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:24 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:On the other hand, I still think the bunch of clowns and buffoons behind the exit campaign have to be put on the spot and told to sort things out.

I take it you don't like Farage... :? :lol:


Correct. I don't like any fascists.

It's easy to label people, Tim... but unfortunately for you... majority rules.

IMO, you don't like democracy... which makes you a....




...FASCIST! :mrgreen:
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:33 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:On the other hand, I still think the bunch of clowns and buffoons behind the exit campaign have to be put on the spot and told to sort things out.

I take it you don't like Farage... :? :lol:


Correct. I don't like any fascists.

It's easy to label people, Tim... but unfortunately for you... majority rules.

IMO, you don't like democracy... which makes you a....




...FASCIST! :mrgreen:


Rupert Murdoch has been able to call the result of every poll in the UK for about the past thirty years. When the New Labour project was initiated, one of the things they had to do was go to Australia and get Rupert Murdoch's support. That's one man and he's not even a national. How's that a majority?

Apart from that, where have I said that I don't accept the result by a slim majority? I believe that the UK stands on the brink of destruction - although a lot depends on what still happens and there is plenty to play for - as a result of this vote, but I accept that it happened.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:39 pm

In fact, you will see above that I have concluded, looking at things from a certain viewpoint, that the preference of the key demographic that swung the vote may have been rational.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby B25 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:43 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:On the other hand, I still think the bunch of clowns and buffoons behind the exit campaign have to be put on the spot and told to sort things out.

I take it you don't like Farage... :? :lol:


Correct. I don't like any fascists.


Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Whilst you live in another country, you wish to dictate to the majority that wants to change its direction. What a selfish person you are. If you are so passionate about the UK, go live there and have your say, not from the comfort of your limassol home in the EU.

They may or may not have made a mistake, but it is one they will have to work on and live by. Personally, I think the UK will be better of out of it, all the scaremongering going on just creates the uncertainty and makes investors more nervous. Of course time will tell and in 2 to 3 years we shall talk again.

The leavers didn't make the referendum rules they just abided by them. The Tory government have a lot to answer for, but they have done a cowardly runner now they have created this shit storm.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Paul ZKTV » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:57 pm

B25 wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:On the other hand, I still think the bunch of clowns and buffoons behind the exit campaign have to be put on the spot and told to sort things out.

I take it you don't like Farage... :? :lol:


Correct. I don't like any fascists.


Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Whilst you live in another country, you wish to dictate to the majority that wants to change its direction. What a selfish person you are. If you are so passionate about the UK, go live there and have your say, not from the comfort of your limassol home in the EU.

They may or may not have made a mistake, but it is one they will have to work on and live by. Personally, I think the UK will be better of out of it, all the scaremongering going on just creates the uncertainty and makes investors more nervous. Of course time will tell and in 2 to 3 years we shall talk again.

The leavers didn't make the referendum rules they just abided by them. The Tory government have a lot to answer for, but they have done a cowardly running now they have created this shit storm.


Its not a MAJORITY, as you will see in the next election in october im voting for Liberal Democrats will fight election on halting Brexit, FREE EUROPEANS a pro-EU party - it will be like scotland - kick out the left and the right and the neo.nazis leavers and we will have SNP/LD goverment for UK and . it not scaremongering as the money and markets have dropped and the banks and large companies are ringing dublin estate agents every day . Those who worked hard all their lifes dont have to answer to those who got left behind
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:58 pm

B25 wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:On the other hand, I still think the bunch of clowns and buffoons behind the exit campaign have to be put on the spot and told to sort things out.

I take it you don't like Farage... :? :lol:


Correct. I don't like any fascists.


Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Whilst you live in another country, you wish to dictate to the majority that wants to change its direction. What a selfish person you are. If you are so passionate about the UK, go live there and have your say, not from the comfort of your limassol home in the EU.

They may or may not have made a mistake, but it is one they will have to work on and live by. Personally, I think the UK will be better of out of it, all the scaremongering going on just creates the uncertainty and makes investors more nervous. Of course time will tell and in 2 to 3 years we shall talk again.

The leavers didn't make the referendum rules they just abided by them. The Tory government have a lot to answer for, but they have done a cowardly runner now they have created this shit storm.


No, you may think differently, but I believe that my own country stands on the verge of serious disaster and I naturally I feel concern about that. I can understand that many Cypriots would be happy to see their old colonial master collapse. Over the past few days I have kept thinking about my niece's daughter who has just turned two and the thought that that kid has been robbed of her future (or certainly the future she would otherwise have had) brings tears to my eyes. This is nothing to do with accepting or not accepting the result. Rupert Murdoch won yet again.
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