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[supporttheunderdog]

you will find most Cypriots can likely trace most of their ancestry back to the earliest permanent settlers , which was long before there was anything Greek about Greece, let a alone before any movement of people from Greece to Cyprus,

You don't get it do you? Cyprus and what is now Turkey didn't become "Greek" through conquest, they became Greek through trade, Greek was an idea. That idea may have been cemented and built upon by Alexander when the various peoples' who had adopted the Greek idea were unified into an empire, but the idea existed before that.

Similarly, Islam is a message, and that message has been adopted by various people across the globe and for a time was partially unified under the Ottomans following a conquest.

Turkey is another idea, the idea of Ataturk.

Both the Ottomans and Turkey are partially built on ancient Greek foundations.

DNA has nothing to do with whether Cyprus is "Greek" or "Turkish", these are ideas, Cypriot DNA as you rightly state can be traced back to the earliest settlers.

And you do not get the point I am making, which is that Turkish Speaking Cypriots are not for the most oart Anatolian Remnants who came over in 1571 but are Cypriots with Cypriot ancestry dating to the earliest continuous settlement of the Island and what some wish for, the departure of the Turkish Speaking Cypriots csnnot be justified, certainly not on the incorrect grounds that they are primarily descendants of invaders and settlers following 1571.

Indeed the fact thatvTurkish Cyriots exist shows how flexible Ethnicity in fact is, where adoption of a differnent Language (and Religion ) will lead to a replacement ethnicity emerging, probably to follow a dominant elitist group and gain benefits from association with if not membership of that group. There were plainly advantages in being Turkish soeaking Moslems for some. BTW i saw some stats, not sure how reliable they were, that in the late 18th and early 19th century, Turkish speaking Moslem Cypriots may have been a majority in the Island.

[Sotos]

I agree with you 100%

I am glad you do! But be clear that today Turkey is the problem, and not Greece. Greece is much smaller, much further, and currently with big financial problems. They wouldn't be able to impose anything on Cyprus even if they wanted. This is why they don't want to be neither guarantors of Cyprus, nor they want to maintain any troops here. Also take a note that several of the people that replied to you are actually clueless foreigners and not real Cypriots.

[GreekIslandGirl]

I see STUD is back to full flow on posting his made up fantasies in support of his evil, imperialist and divisive aims.

[Sotos]

you will find most Cypriots can likely trace most of their ancestry back to the earliest permanent settlers , which was long before there was anything Greek about Greece, let a alone before any movement of people from Greece to Cyprus,

You don't get it do you? Cyprus and what is now Turkey didn't become "Greek" through conquest, they became Greek through trade, Greek was an idea. That idea may have been cemented and built upon by Alexander when the various peoples' who had adopted the Greek idea were unified into an empire, but the idea existed before that.

Similarly, Islam is a message, and that message has been adopted by various people across the globe and for a time was partially unified under the Ottomans following a conquest.

Turkey is another idea, the idea of Ataturk.

Both the Ottomans and Turkey are partially built on ancient Greek foundations.

DNA has nothing to do with whether Cyprus is "Greek" or "Turkish", these are ideas, Cypriot DNA as you rightly state can be traced back to the earliest settlers.

And you do not get the point I am making, which is that Turkish Speaking Cypriots are not for the most oart Anatolian Remnants who came over in 1571 but are Cypriots with Cypriot ancestry dating to the earliest continuous settlement of the Island and what some wish for, the departure of the Turkish Speaking Cypriots csnnot be justified, certainly not on the incorrect grounds that they are primarily descendants of invaders and settlers following 1571.

Indeed the fact thatvTurkish Cyriots exist shows how flexible Ethnicity in fact is, where adoption of a differnent Language (and Religion ) will lead to a replacement ethnicity emerging, probably to follow a dominant elitist group and gain benefits from association with if not membership of that group. There were plainly advantages in being Turkish soeaking Moslems for some. BTW i saw some stats, not sure how reliable they were, that in the late 18th and early 19th century, Turkish speaking Moslem Cypriots may have been a majority in the Island.

Bullshit. Why do the TCs speak Turkish? The benefits during Ottoman rule were for Muslims, not for Turks. It is easy to change your religion (you can do it in 1 second if you want) but changing your mother tongue is not. Had the TCs been mostly Greek Cypriots who changed their religion to enjoy the benefits during Ottoman rule then they would be Greek speaking Muslims, just like the Muslim Bosnians are Muslims who speak a Serbo-Croatian dialect (and not Turkish), or like the Muslim Albanians are Muslims who speak Albanian (and not Turkish). The fact is that most TCs had Turkish ancestry and this is also supported by Ottoman historical reports about the settlement of Cyprus. Sure there were some Greek Cypriots who become Muslim, but those were a much smaller number, which is why they were gradually assimilated by the majority of their community who were Turkish speaking. And the stats you saw are bullshit also. Even the numbers look obviously fake. The first proper census was done by the British in 1881, and even that would probably not be good enough by today's standards, with the towns (where TCS were more concentrated) skewing the results.

[Sotos]

I suggest Cypriots take the following 3 trips:

Go to Athens and spend a day there… how do you feel?

Go to Ankara and spend a day there… how do you feel?

Go to Beirut and spend a day there… how do you feel?

Although I never took a trip to Turkey, for me Beirut is where I felt at home outside of Cyprus.

I knew there and then that I was a Levantine for my heart told me so and not somebody’s book.

Where you would feel more at home is probably Sydney or whatever foreign city you grew up. Athens is a big metropolis of 5 million people and it is this which might make a Cypriot, especially one coming from a village, feel less at home. A Cypriot going to Crete, Rhodes etc would feel right at home. Beirut is about the size of Nicosia, with similar weather etc, and while there are similarities between the people because we are both Eastern Med people, it is definitely not as close as it is between us and other Greeks. Of course you are not real Cypriot and your first language is English, which is why your case is not representative.

[Get Real!]

Of course you are not real Cypriot and your first language is English, which is why your case is not representative.

Oh please! I’m pretty confident I can speak better Cypriot than you. Feel free to try me...

The reason my English is good is because post-74 all my education took place in English speaking schools both here and abroad. That's all!

Unless you mean that... the fact that I evaded Greek-brainwashing nullifies my Cypriotness!

[DrCyprus]

The Turkish Cypriot speak Turkish because the English brought teachers from Turkey to teach them language, just like they brought teachers from Greece to teach us modern Greek (how they got the name Kalamarades).

Before the English brought Turkish teachers all of today's Turkish Cypriots were speakers of Greek. Just like the Turcocretans that were expelled from Crete to Turkey and still speak Greek in their communities.

Turco was just a name for Muslim in the Ottoman empire.

Turcalbanians for example was the name for Muslim Albanians in the Ottoman Empire.

All DNA studies bring Turkish Cypriots closer to Greek Cypriots and hint to almost no East and Middle Asian DNA that is found in today's Anatolian Turks. (Mongoloid)

All the same, even if the Turkish Cypriots are Cypriots... they are still Muslim and should get the fuck out.

[Get Real!]

Even if it can be proven that somebody has “100% Cypriot DNA” (the ideal hypothetical scenario for the sake of the argument) it still doesn’t amount to anything if this individual is acting anti-Cypriot by supporting breakaway states and/or Cyprus’ illegal invader/occupier Turkey or even Cyprus’ coup orchestrators Greece, so I can’t give much weight to science alone and I cannot help but take political alignment into serious consideration.

At the end of the day the most patriotic Cypriot should by default:

1. Support the complete independence of Cyprus.
2. Promote all things Cypriot even at the expense of foreign countries including Greece and Turkey.
3. Frown upon any form of foreign bastardization.
4. Fully submit voluntarily to Cypriot assimilation.

This would constitute what we can call the Alpha-Cypriot, and a nation cannot get enough of these…

[DrCyprus]

The supposed Turkish Cypriot dialect is basically Turkish injected with a lot of loanwords from Greek Cypriot and spoken in a Cypriot accent.

Having said all that, they are still traitors and should go meet their brothers the "Muslim Cretan Greeks".

[lonewolfcypriot]

The Turkish Cypriot speak Turkish because the English brought teachers from Turkey to teach them language, just like they brought teachers from Greece to teach us modern Greek (how they got the name Kalamarades).

Before the English brought Turkish teachers all of today's Turkish Cypriots were speakers of Greek. Just like the Turcocretans that were expelled from Crete to Turkey and still speak Greek in their communities.

Turco was just a name for Muslim in the Ottoman empire.

Turcalbanians for example was the name for Muslim Albanians in the Ottoman Empire.

All DNA studies bring Turkish Cypriots closer to Greek Cypriots and hint to almost no East and Middle Asian DNA that is found in today's Anatolian Turks. (Mongoloid)

All the same, even if the Turkish Cypriots are Cypriots... they are still Muslim and should get the fuck out.

The Greek Cypriot speak Greek because the English brought teachers from Greece to teach them language, just like they brought teachers from Turkey to teach us modern Turkish (how they got the name Karasakal).

Before the English brought Greek teachers all of today's Greek Cypriots were speakers of Turkish. Just like the Pontic Greeks that were expelled from Turkey and Greece and still speak Turkish in their communities.

Rum was just a name for Christian in the Ottoman empire.

Rumoalbanians for example was the name for Christian Albanians in the Ottoman Empire.

All DNA studies bring Greek Cypriots closer to Turkish Cypriots and hint to almost no Balkan or European DNA that is found in today's Mainland Greeks. (Caucasoid)

All the same, even if the Greek Cypriots are Cypriots... they are still Christian and should get the fuck out.