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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Londonrake » Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:14 pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45694123. This of course is not an acceptable standard of evidence. "Russian denies" :roll:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning ... ia_Skripal. This of course is not an acceptable standard of evidence. "Russian denies".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24rjPhNXN2I. This of course is not an acceptable standard of evidence. Russian denies.

There's pages and pages of this stuff. All apparently part of an amazingly complex conspiracy and everything which shows what happened not of an acceptable standard of evidence.

However:

A Ukranian fighter shot down MH17. Evidence acceptable.

Oh wait! No it didn't!. A Ukrainian missile unit shot down MH17: evidence acceptable.

The US "secretly" used a nuke in Fallujah: evidence acceptable.

The Israelis "secretly" used a nuke in Syria: evidence acceptable.

The Syrian "terrorists" (aka Sunni population) have repeatedly used chemical weapons on their own people but never on the dictatorial Shia government's forces: evidence acceptable.

The US were responsible for 9/11: evidence acceptable.

Syrian do not have chemical weapons: evidence acceptable.

Russia has a "secret" weapon which is capable of totally immobilising western ships and aircraft: evidence acceptable.

I'm sure you get the drift.

Well! How disappointing! I was soooooo looking forward. Christmas? :wink:
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:54 am

LR:
Your three links:
1) BBC – for that read Bellingcat as the primary source.

2) Wikileaks – better than Bellingcat but usually just a source for basic information but credible as a starting point.

3) THE SUN – they repeat what we have already seen, although did you notice all but two of the videos (Gatwick) had no date/time stamp, so they are useless.

As for the rest? Do you realise how stupid you come across with your moronic comments? I'll put all that down to too much of the hard stuff!

Didn’t you know that Bellingcat have Enid Blighton, Hans Christian Anderson and Aesop ..... on their staff? A reliable source! You must be bloody joking! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I shall reply to your previous rants when I have the time, but I do so knowing you won’t even bother to read it, as for actually expecting to get a reasoned and sensible response ......... :roll:
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Londonrake » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:38 pm

No rants, denigration or sarcasm in that then. :lol:

It’s a mystery, after all this time, why you can never seem to understand the hypocrisy thing. :?

Think about it though, who else is going to “talk” to you? All who ever have end up treading the same old path. It’s like you want to live in splendid isolation. Which actually, you more or less are. :?

The “hard stuff”? BS. People can make their own judgements. You post all sorts of vague and unsubstantiated stuff all the time. Sometimes absurd. Often from people with as much of a view of the real situation as yourself. Then, you insist on smoking gun evidence - which even that you wouldn’t accept - on matters like this. It’s - err - hypocritical, actually.

On this matter - you’ve been wrong since day one. The more you desperately parrot output from the Kremlin, designed nowadays purely for domestic consumption, the more you come across as a useful idiot sycophant. Outside the box? Closed mind? Robotic? Can’t think for themselves? I agree. :wink: Yes, it’s .................
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:38 pm

LR:
On this matter - you’ve been wrong since day one. The more you desperately parrot output from the Kremlin, designed nowadays purely for domestic consumption, the more you come across as a useful idiot sycophant. Outside the box? Closed mind? Robotic? Can’t think for themselves? I agree.


But all the Kremlin have ever said is that they didn’t do it! There is nothing for me to ‘parrot’! It is you that parrots the official story. So far the UK have changed the story numerous times, failed to produce any real evidence, have refused to follow international conventions, have refused access by Russian Consular officials to the Skripal’s, have refused to cooperate with the Russian authorities and have done nothing except to demand from Russia/Putin an admission of guilt ............... a bit like you do with me! :roll:

Although you lacked the common decency to even read and try to understand what I previously wrote, before expressing your opinion, I will now précis it down to something a 10 year old could handle and ALL based on officially released information provided by the British Government and their sources.

The Skripals movement on 4/3/18 .... I repeat, all information courtesy HMG and their official sources ....... not The Kremlin’s output from their numerous troll factories or even crazy ‘conspiracy theory’ web sites.

Skripal’s leave house around 9:15 as captured on CCTV; HMG says both were contaminated with a nerve agent on the front door handle; they drive off and both then go ‘off-the-RADAR’ for about three hours; there are no videos of their movements in that period: they then reappear on CCTV’s around 13:00 heading for Salisbury town centre. Where they parked; they went to a shopping mall and then a Pub for a drink; then they went to Zizzi restaurant and had a shell fish risotto; they finished the meal and left; some time later at 16:45 they both collapsed unconscious on a park bench foaming at the mouth; luckily a near bye Police Sergeant in plain clothes (DS Nick Bailey) went to their aid; someone called the medics; DS Nick Bailey left them being tended by a doctor; he then took the Skripal’s house keys and, presumably following normal procedures, he went to and entered the Skripals house; he too was contaminated with this nerve agent on the door handle; later he took himself off to the same hospital as the Skripal’s, when he too became unwell.


The Assasin’s movements .... I repeat again, all information provided by HMG and their sources. Video is the same source as you used The SUN ........... so it is obviously absolutely reliable. A police spokesman and a timeline ...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG7IALXYvaA ..... the comments are also interesting!

Day 1: 2/3/18
The GRU Assassins arrive together at Gatwick around 15:00 on a scheduled flight from Moscow; they travel to London Victoria then to Waterloo arriving around 18 -19:00; then they travelled to Stratford, East London by underground to Bow and booked into the City Stay Hotel in Bow Lane, just 130 miles from their target destination of Salisbury.

Day 2: 3/3/18
They travel to Salisbury leaving Waterloo Station at 11:45 and arriving Salisbury 14:25; The police make no mention of what they did or where they went except to say they believe it was a reconnaissance; there appear to be no videos of their movements that day; the police say they left Salisbury at 16:10, less than 2 hrs after arriving; they visited neither Stonehenge or The Cathedral; they arrived back in Bow at 20:05 that evening; it was reported that they then had a sex and drugs fuelled party going on into the small hours.

(MI5/MI6 agents 2 months later, 4th May, found a minute trace of an ‘organophosphate compound’ on two swabs taken in the hotel room ...... but not enough to contaminate or affect anyone, (or to make a positive identification!) thus it raised no concerns for public health or safety. Further tests taken some time later, all came back negative.)

Day 3. 4/3/18
They left the hotel; they travelled from Bow to Waterloo 08:05 and caught a train to Salisbury where they were filmed arriving at 11:48; they wandered around the town and were filmed by a CCTV camera in a shop window (time?); they were also filmed by an ESSO petrol station 400m from Skripal’s house (11:58?)**; the police believe they contaminated the Skripal’s house during that period with a liquid nerve agent; again they went to neither the Cathedral or Stonehenge; they were again on CCTV at the Fisherton St. junction shortly after 13:00; they returned leaving Salisbury around 13:30 taking the train to London, arriving 16:45; they later went by underground to Heathrow and caught a direct Aeroflot flight LHR to Moscow departing 22:30.

(**In a video released today (DM.3/10), they were also captured on CCTV at Wilton Road junction at 11:58. This junction is 1.2 miles from the station where they were captured on CCTV arriving at 11:48 and opposite the Esso petrol station ( A 25 min walk but they managed it in 10 !!!!) I think it reasonable to say the authenticity of this video is suspect .... don’t you?)

Once again........ I repeat, all information provided by HMG sources.

I realise you are neither capable of nor interested in, evaluating these events or capable of putting the two scenarios together on a common timeline. But if you did have the ability to analyse what you propagate, you would soon realise that, just based on evidence from HMG sources .........

The Skripals left the house and were contaminated about the same time these two ‘assassins’ were leaving Waterloo Station on a train bound for Salisbury, and they left some three hours before the Skripal’s were struck down!

The ‘assassins’ got to Salisbury around the time the Skripal’s came back from their RADAR avoiding trip; they both turned their phones off, one can only assume because they did not want to be tracked; the movements of the ‘assassins’ we know approximately but they could not have been the ones who put nerve agent on the door knob before 9am....... as they were not in Salisbury until almost three hours AFTER the Skripal’s were, according to HMG sources, contaminated with Russian made Military Grade Novichok A-234 nerve agent, sprayed on their front door handle. A substance so powerful that a single pin-head amount kills in less than a minute ............... except that on this occasion .............. it didn’t!

So, based only on HMG’s own evidence, only one story can be true but not both!

Either .......

1) Novichok on the door handle before 09:15 that day ..........in which case the timeline puts the assassins in the clear! HMG have then to .............. ‘think-it-out-again’?

Difficult to do now, as they so positively announced to the World within a few days it being ‘highly likely’ it was a Russian attack with WMD’s, approved at the highest level of government and they had the evidence to prove it! Oooop’s........maybe a case of ‘liar-liar-pants-on-fire’?

OR ..... maybe one of two other options ............

2) A bad shell fish risotto (Saxitoxin aka STX) ......... or the assassins did it and unseen by anyone, sprayed the food, glasses, cutlery ......whatever .... with this Novichok from a perfume bottle (which has never been found), whilst not contaminating the staff or the premises.

The first probability clearly being the more likely as both Skripals went down at exactly the same time but without any significant evidence being found of nerve agent residue in the restaurant itself or the kitchen and by the time the Skripals arrived at Zizzi, the 'assassins' were both on a train on their way back to London!

Of course the most simple scenario is just a big joke to you and this inevitably takes the brunt of your sarcasm ..... although it just happens to fit all the evidence but very obviously not the HMG ’official’ explanation!

Were the Russians just a couple Russian mobsters up to no good, maybe working for the mafia ..... or maybe even the GRU? WAS their presence just a coincidence? WAS there another ‘operation’ going on at that time? Have the videos and other evidence been ‘adjusted’ to suit HMG’s story? Because, whatever they were up to, they didn’t do what they are accused of ....... HMG’s own evidence proves that!

So, what about the Russians angle? It is so very difficult to blame Russia without drifting into the realms of even more conspiracy theories which, without any doubt, Bellingcat can and will no doubt provide to order ..........and they will all be accepted by you without question!

So, as an outspoken and rather self opinionated Shill for HMG’s conspiracy theory ....... give us your take! It is clearly an impossible scenario based on the ‘official’ evidence! You won’t explain ..... you never have explained any of the many anomalies in the UK’s claims ..... but surprise me ...... explain away the contradiction between the two OFFICIAL HMG provided, timelines!

IMO: Teresa May jumped on the US anti-Russia band wagon and just had to shoot her mouth off to the World within a few days when she blamed Russia and even the Russian Presiden, with no evidence or ‘evidence’ so full of holes that she has yet to provide any of it for independent examination. She and her government all suffer from acute ‘Russiaphobia’ ...... just as you do!

She thought she could score points and demonise Russia and it is now impossible to back track out of this false narrative without making the UK Government and Security Services look like an outfit run by Mr.Bean! So now they call in Mr.Elliot Higgins (Citizen Journalist) and his company, Bellingcat, to clean up the crime scene !!!!

Russia says ........” We didn’t do it!” ...... and so far I, like many others, have seen nothing plausible that says they did!

And finally ........... a reasoned view I am sure I posted previously ..... and it makes a far more common sense read than the official fairy tale:

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/the-best-explanation-for-the-skripal-drama-is-food-poisoning.html .......... and I agree with him!
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Londonrake » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:16 am

TLDR.

And bear in mind , when I posted something less than a quarter of your last effort, a collection of easily verifiable statements by senior Iranian religious, political and military leaders, relating to their efforts and plans to eradicate the state of Israel, your response was exactly the same. What's that word? BTW, whilst we're here, I take it you never actually did find that Israeli threat to nuke Iran you claimed? :roll:

I'm not interested in your repeated attempts to descend into obfuscating detail - your US did 9/11, got dragged down to the minutia of Newton's Laws. You collapsed the discussions into arguments about semantic trivia, when the like of your statements, that Syria had no chemical weapons or MH117 was shot down by a Ukranian fighter, after being directed into an isolated region of airspace, were shown for the rubbish they were. You simply got it - loudly - wrong. :wink: It's your normal MO. You bludgeon the other guy to the point where he dies of exasperation. Absolutely anything, rather than accept the unthinkable - that you were actually in error. I've seen it so many times.

The whole Russian Skripal effort has now generally been accepted as a subject of ridicule. Even it seems by a large number of people in Russia. That, despite their being subjected to a daily torrent of the sort of Kremlin propaganda you regularly echo. Only the true faithful continue to repeat it. And you surely are. Never once in years having any doubts or disagreement with absolutely anything Russia has said. Putin, I’m sure, as an ex KGB man himself, will be fuming at the ineptitude of his “intelligence” agencies we’ve been witnessing lately. :twisted:

Now, we have the story of a bunch of hapless, Keystone cop GRU men caught red handed trying to penetrate a sensitive Western WiFi network, with evidence in their equipment of similar activities around the world. The Netherlands, US, UK, Canada, Switzerland, Malaysia. All of the agencies targeted involved in investigating Russia's nefarious activities. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes - the conspiracy to "demonise" Mr Putin has gone global! :shock:
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Londonrake » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:16 pm

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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:06 pm

Londonrake wrote:
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Did they catch a Taxi Cab from GRU headquarters to the airport too?
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:58 pm

LR:
I gave you the timeline based on official information from those very sources you so blindly support ….. it showed clearly they were again telling you lies as it was obviously an impossible scenario but ……… like Blair’s story about Saddam’s non-existent WMD’s …….. you swallow the propaganda hook-line-and-sinker, as your have for decades without considering that there was an alternate scenario that is infinitely more credible.

Then again, your inevitable response and your defence is to obfuscate and throw out the insults, ridicule and all your usual historic and sanctimonious chaff …..….. same MO every time! You are in every respect predictable!

This guy is a loyal patriotic American ….. well qualified, experienced and connected, has absolutely nothing to do with your imaginary Kremlin propaganda troll factory, (Do you believe in fairies as well?) the GRU, Pres. Putin, Assad, Iran, left-wing conspiracy sites etc. ……….and he came to the same conclusions as I did many years ago when it comes to propaganda.

And yes you are right those that just soak it up are ‘useful idiots’ but of course your hubris and inability to work anything out for yourself, precludes you from EVER considering that maybe it is you and the rest of the sheep, that are the useful idiots!

Any exchanges with you over time only confirmed how easy it is to fool some people ‘all-of-the-time’ ……... to the extent they don’t even realize they are just propaganda fed sheep and willing shills for a gigantic, Worldwide Western political propaganda machine.

BTW: Today polls indicate that a majority of people do not believe the official 9/11 propaganda and the same even more so, apparently, applies to the Skripal incident. People are beginning to wise up and question what they are expected to believe ……. well some are! Why do you think, as I pointed out to you a long time ago, that your Masters are trying to control what you can and cannot access or discuss, by controlling the internet? Just like the old USSR used to control information and feed out disinformation! Same MO in the West …. Just different flags!



An Israeli expert on terrorism

………… and covert assassination procedures explains that the alleged Russian GRU attack on the Skripals with a supposedly deadly nerve agent is a completely obvious hoax to anyone who knows anything at all.

https://russia-insider.com/en/skripals-are-mi6-hoax-not-worthy-ladies-detective-novels-israeli-expert-demolishes-uk-case/ri24912


Ron Unz is no moron
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……….yet he accepted the transparently false 9/11 story until he started to pay attention. Once he paid attention, he realized it was false.
[url]
http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda ... -theories/ [/url]


About that Novichok/Skripal case ....... 4.4m answers 378.9k this month

Victor Volkov. This wasn’t compiled by me, but by Vera Narishkin. Here is a little compilation I made several months ago with regard to the very strange Skripal affair:

• "British scientists cannot prove that the novichok nerve agent used to poison ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter was made in Russia, the military laboratory which tested it has said.

• "Experts at the Porton Down research laboratory were unable to establish “the precise source” of the chemical weapon, the chief executive of the Ministry of Defence facility told Sky News. He added the government had used “a number of other sources to piece together” the conclusion that the Kremlin was responsible."
Read more at link: (Quora is a US source BTW?)

https://www.quora.com/profile/Victor-Volkov-3/Posts/About-that-Novichok-Skripal-case?share=f1555e27&srid=GRba


Strange how there are so many people that seem to disagree with you! 4.4m answers so far and 379,000 this month alone ….. my, these troll factories must be on unlimited overtime.(I have to admit I haven’t read them all! I did look and the replies are all in English ….. not Russian, so these thousands of trolls all speak English, so they must be educated not morons!)


As I initiated the thread I will continue to add posts, as and when I have something I think is of interest that others may also find of interest.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Londonrake » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:18 pm

Look, I'm sure over the years we have both had our fill of the - what sometimes seems prevalent - one-liners. If people have a contrary opinion they should express it, rather than compete for "look how clever I am!" attention among a small group of like-minded twats.

Neverthless, few I suspect come on to chat forums (the key is in that first word) to spend an hour reading a post (aka book). So, again, just like your previous novels on this thread, I'm not going to wade through all that stuff. Moreover, I suspect few others will. You're in essence posting for your own vanity. Although, you seem to have this odd idea that you're in a pulpit with everybody listening in silent, rapturous admiration. :roll:

This is what you do when you get your myopic teeth into a subject, It doesn't matter how wrong you are - and ohh how often that happens - it's Bludgeon! Bludgeon! Bludgeon!

So, I'm not going to fall for your normal practice of trying to drag things down into the long grass, completely ignoring the big picture and with it anything at all that contradicts your view. It's just obfuscating bullshit.

I did note your last comment. Yes, it's your OP, although it doesn't need to be that to post stuff of course. So, you don't require anybody's approval to contribute whatever you wish on this or any other thread - no matter how bonkers some of it is (and usually without a shred of substantial and reasonably acceptable proof - hypocrisy)

The Skripal incident has turned out to have been a humiliating debacle for the so-called elite GRU. What transpired was as plain as the nose on your face. However, like the Litivenko assassination, they botched it. President Putin has clearly been embarrassed by it all; moreover, it's proven extremely costly to Russia and rumours of a good ole fashioned "purge" are doing the rounds.

Meanwhile, I'm sure you will continue - as you have for years - churning out verbatim, absolutely everything that emanates from the Kremlin. Or Tehran, or Pyongyang, etc, etc, etc.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:12 pm

I can't believe you guys are wasting your time when the evidence is striking you on the face.
It is absolutely clear the 2 Russians are guilty of something.
However the question is, are they guilty of the Skripals' poisoning or are they guilty of something else?
Let's see:

If they were guilty of the Skripals' poisoning would the British Government be soooo stupid to issue an international arrest warrant, making sure all the media would learn about it, thus in turn guarantee they would never be arrested and brought to trial??
How would you handle it if YOU were the British Government?

The correct procedure would be to put them on surveillance. The guys were traveling a lot out of Russia. Issue an International arrest warrant when they would be OUT OF Russia. Catch them like rats! At the very minimum just arrest them the next time they get a visa for entering the UK, just to keep everything secret.

My guess is that those 2 guys were in the illegal drug business. And I don't mean the usual stuff, but the new substances that appear by the thousands and sold over the net. They visited Sailsbury because they probably had a contact there to get chemicals from Poltron.
The UK government probably had information about them.
Did all this fuss for 2 reasons a) To save face -finding scapegoats b)To get rid of those criminals visiting the UK for the purpose of buying/selling/producing illegal drugs.
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