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[B25]

Kiks, I can agree if there was no issue between the two sides, but Cyprus is still officially at war, like it or not. To me the TCs have no say in the occupied areas, Turkey speaks for them now. Those assholes that spend their money in the occupied, both treacherous GCs and the scumbag brits, are directly financing Erdocunt and his regime and as such we make it harder to find any agreed solution.

If it were up to me, I would close all the crossing points, because for as long as they are open and people freely move across them, there will be no solution, the pressure on Turkey to maintain the occupied areas is relaxed and they see no reason to agree a just solution.

So, yes, in my eyes any MF that shops in the enemy territory is indeed a traitor because he is clouding with the enemy, may they all go and rot in hell, inshallah!!!

[Kikapu]

I understand where you are coming from, B25. The open crossings are double edge sword I‘m afraid, which has it‘s positives and negatives. For almost 30 years there were no official crossings open as there are today, and we still did not have a settlement, because the kind of settlement Cyprus deserves, is not what Turkey wants, and unfortunately, the TCs claim they also want what Turkey wants. The TCs are basically sacrificing their future existence as Cypriots in Cyprus just to please Turkey as they have become accustomed to Turkey‘s handouts,and despite being called „kept parasites“ by Turkey, the TCs keep on jumping off the cliff much like lemmings.

When the GCs go to the north, directly or indirectly, they are making their presence known to Turkey that this is their historic land no matter how many Occupying Turkish troops there are in the north. I don‘t believe any GCs approve of Turkey’s occupation of the north, except for one or two morons as I know one or two claiming to be half GC. On the same token, neither do some TCs approve of Turkey’s occupation of the north, and I know a number of them.

[yialousa1971]

:? You are both fucking traitors... and in fact from the same camp!

He was doing Turkey’s bidding and you’re doing Greece’s… so you both represent Balkan manure.

Are you pissed you are not the biggest traitor?

The chicken is a known associate of the pig!

[Pyrpolizer]

If I may interject for a minute. I don't think it is a question of someone being a traitor or not by someone going to the north to buy some things that is cheaper than they may be in the south. Forget for a minute about the north being under illegal occupation by Turkey. Just assume that the north was an independent legitimate country and the best of friends with the RoC, but their economy was much much weaker than the RoC's strong economy. The government in the north would subsidies many items in order for the people to afford bare essentials, which would make those items much cheaper than the south with a strong economy. The question is, would it be right for those living in the south earning a decent salary to go to the north to buy everything they can at cheaper rate at every chance they get? The answer is, of course is not OK, because in order to maintain those public services and salaries in the south, you are expected to shop where you live, even if it costs more. Sure, if you happen to be in the north and need petrol, fill up and buy few things to bring back with you, but to make it a routine habit would be wrong, to which the government then sets customs duties on items brought in from the north to certain limits. We have the same situation here in Switzerland. The Swiss economy is good and so the people earn high salaries, more than it's surrounding countries, and we have a limit of up to 300 Swiss francs duty free import per day, but heavy limits on certain items, like one is only allowed to bring 1 kg of meat product per trip, since meat is cheaper than it is in Switzerland. One needs to spend in their own country as much as possible to help retain their way of life.

Kikapu,

Trust me they don't subsidize anything in the occupied, in fact the vast majority of everyday commodities are more expensive there than in the free areas.
The only things that are much cheaper for various reasons that I explained before are pharmaceutical products and known expensive clothing labels made in Turkey but distributed from European/American brands. As for the fuel I once run out of fuel during a trip to Apostolos Andreas, and I noticed no difference in prices. In fact I was surprised from what the article said.

Secondly it doesn't really worth it passing through the crossings to buy ordinary goods from the occupied. First of all crossing is not that cheap, you pay fees and insurance for the car.They don't issue insurance for one day anymore! The minimum is for 3 months and the minimum fee is 40 Euros. When I crossed with the company van it was much more because it was a van... Then moving around spending your time doesn't pay up unless you are guided by someone as to where to buy what you want.

Furthermore you have to take into account the value of building up friendly relations. I don't think buying ekmek kataif for example from a selected confectionery run by a TC (who in their vast majority speak Greek contrary to the settlers), helps the regime.
What helps the regime are those who cross on everyday basis betting their money at the kazinos and spending their nights at hotels for sex.
I personally had to cross e few times for business because we had an Agency and we were supposed to serve the occupied too. In all cases we were paid cash in advance. Some other times I crossed with a (teacher) friend of mine who was paid by the TC union to teach Greek to TCs at a school in Nicosia. How was that helping the regime when the TC union was ever paying for the taxi??
The TCs invited us so many times for dinner out or for just a pizza, and they were so proud they never accepted that we would pay while the other GC guy was drinking whiskey like water. Did that help the regime financially??
I made a lot of friends from that.

So on a personal basis I don't think I ever helped the regime, and I think Cyprus as a whole (GCs & TCs) gained from my personal contribution.
Unfortunately, and I am really sad to admit it, all good relations and friendships have already evaporated. No one beleives there will be a solution anymore and I personally gave up.
I don't enjoy seeing the northern part getting Turkified and islamified while the TCs became totally helpless. They all yielded to what Ankara plans for them.

[repulsewarrior]

...politically, it is important for Cypriots to establish among themselves the kind of social-exchange which demonstrates their existence, as Cypriots.

Cypriots who make the effort to buy Cypriot, and to not buy "Turkish" in the occupied north in effect serves the Cypriot purpose, and in affecting the "North" in this way, forcing "them" to recognise beside the "Turks" and "Greeks" that exist in their minds, Cypriots as a force, and as people, exist as well.

...who has the courage to fly the Flag of Cyprus, in Cyprus, now that it is "legal" to do so? Indeed, to overcome this fear, Cypriots must gather to demonstrate a solidarity for this notion, as one People, that there are Cypriots willing to defend each other, as Individuals, just as much as Persons because they are, Cypriots.

More Cypriots should travel their island, not less. Those who travel to the occupied territories for their own selfish pleasures would be exposed for who and what they are, knowingly ignoring, in their acts, their own responsibility toward a solution, for Cyprus, and Cypriots.

...who is a traitor, i ask who is a hero; among us?

[repulsewarrior]

If I may interject for a minute. I don't think it is a question of someone being a traitor or not by someone going to the north to buy some things that is cheaper than they may be in the south. Forget for a minute about the north being under illegal occupation by Turkey. Just assume that the north was an independent legitimate country and the best of friends with the RoC, but their economy was much much weaker than the RoC's strong economy. The government in the north would subsidies many items in order for the people to afford bare essentials, which would make those items much cheaper than the south with a strong economy. The question is, would it be right for those living in the south earning a decent salary to go to the north to buy everything they can at cheaper rate at every chance they get? The answer is, of course is not OK, because in order to maintain those public services and salaries in the south, you are expected to shop where you live, even if it costs more. Sure, if you happen to be in the north and need petrol, fill up and buy few things to bring back with you, but to make it a routine habit would be wrong, to which the government then sets customs duties on items brought in from the north to certain limits. We have the same situation here in Switzerland. The Swiss economy is good and so the people earn high salaries, more than it's surrounding countries, and we have a limit of up to 300 Swiss francs duty free import per day, but heavy limits on certain items, like one is only allowed to bring 1 kg of meat product per trip, since meat is cheaper than it is in Switzerland. One needs to spend in their own country as much as possible to help retain their way of life.

Kikapu,

Trust me they don't subsidize anything in the occupied, in fact the vast majority of everyday commodities are more expensive there than in the free areas.
The only things that are much cheaper for various reasons that I explained before are pharmaceutical products and known expensive clothing labels made in Turkey but distributed from European/American brands. As for the fuel I once run out of fuel during a trip to Apostolos Andreas, and I noticed no difference in prices. In fact I was surprised from what the article said.

Secondly it doesn't really worth it passing through the crossings to buy ordinary goods from the occupied. First of all crossing is not that cheap, you pay fees and insurance for the car.They don't issue insurance for one day anymore! The minimum is for 3 months and the minimum fee is 40 Euros. When I crossed with the company van it was much more because it was a van... Then moving around spending your time doesn't pay up unless you are guided by someone as to where to buy what you want.

Furthermore you have to take into account the value of building up friendly relations. I don't think buying ekmek kataif for example from a selected confectionery run by a TC (who in their vast majority speak Greek contrary to the settlers), helps the regime.
What helps the regime are those who cross on everyday basis betting their money at the kazinos and spending their nights at hotels for sex.
I personally had to cross e few times for business because we had an Agency and we were supposed to serve the occupied too. In all cases we were paid cash in advance. Some other times I crossed with a (teacher) friend of mine who was paid by the TC union to teach Greek to TCs at a school in Nicosia. How was that helping the regime when the TC union was ever paying for the taxi??
The TCs invited us so many times for dinner out or for just a pizza, and they were so proud they never accepted that we would pay while the other GC guy was drinking whiskey like water. Did that help the regime financially??
I made a lot of friends from that.

So on a personal basis I don't think I ever helped the regime, and I think Cyprus as a whole (GCs & TCs) gained from my personal contribution.
Unfortunately, and I am really sad to admit it, all good relations and friendships have already evaporated. No one beleives there will be a solution anymore and I personally gave up.
I don't enjoy seeing the northern part getting Turkified and islamified while the TCs became totally helpless. They all yielded to what Ankara plans for them.

@ B25 (and you, kurupetos), as a militant that i admire, my hope is that you will take heart, as a Cypriot, because a man like you, if you were to make the same effort as Pyrpolizer, could do a lot toward ending this unnatural situation with the island torn in two. Respect and Trust at this moment have been cultivated to be out of reach. Only the gates which were opened prevents the realisation of this dream, that "Turkishness" (and by the same token, "Greekness") exists, that "being" Cypriot has no importance. It is something to think about.

[Kikapu]

If I may interject for a minute. I don't think it is a question of someone being a traitor or not by someone going to the north to buy some things that is cheaper than they may be in the south. Forget for a minute about the north being under illegal occupation by Turkey. Just assume that the north was an independent legitimate country and the best of friends with the RoC, but their economy was much much weaker than the RoC's strong economy. The government in the north would subsidies many items in order for the people to afford bare essentials, which would make those items much cheaper than the south with a strong economy. The question is, would it be right for those living in the south earning a decent salary to go to the north to buy everything they can at cheaper rate at every chance they get? The answer is, of course is not OK, because in order to maintain those public services and salaries in the south, you are expected to shop where you live, even if it costs more. Sure, if you happen to be in the north and need petrol, fill up and buy few things to bring back with you, but to make it a routine habit would be wrong, to which the government then sets customs duties on items brought in from the north to certain limits. We have the same situation here in Switzerland. The Swiss economy is good and so the people earn high salaries, more than it's surrounding countries, and we have a limit of up to 300 Swiss francs duty free import per day, but heavy limits on certain items, like one is only allowed to bring 1 kg of meat product per trip, since meat is cheaper than it is in Switzerland. One needs to spend in their own country as much as possible to help retain their way of life.

Kikapu,

Trust me they don't subsidize anything in the occupied, in fact the vast majority of everyday commodities are more expensive there than in the free areas.
The only things that are much cheaper for various reasons that I explained before are pharmaceutical products and known expensive clothing labels made in Turkey but distributed from European/American brands. As for the fuel I once run out of fuel during a trip to Apostolos Andreas, and I noticed no difference in prices. In fact I was surprised from what the article said.

Secondly it doesn't really worth it passing through the crossings to buy ordinary goods from the occupied. First of all crossing is not that cheap, you pay fees and insurance for the car.They don't issue insurance for one day anymore! The minimum is for 3 months and the minimum fee is 40 Euros. When I crossed with the company van it was much more because it was a van... Then moving around spending your time doesn't pay up unless you are guided by someone as to where to buy what you want.

Furthermore you have to take into account the value of building up friendly relations. I don't think buying ekmek kataif for example from a selected confectionery run by a TC (who in their vast majority speak Greek contrary to the settlers), helps the regime.
What helps the regime are those who cross on everyday basis betting their money at the kazinos and spending their nights at hotels for sex.
I personally had to cross e few times for business because we had an Agency and we were supposed to serve the occupied too. In all cases we were paid cash in advance. Some other times I crossed with a (teacher) friend of mine who was paid by the TC union to teach Greek to TCs at a school in Nicosia. How was that helping the regime when the TC union was ever paying for the taxi??
The TCs invited us so many times for dinner out or for just a pizza, and they were so proud they never accepted that we would pay while the other GC guy was drinking whiskey like water. Did that help the regime financially??
I made a lot of friends from that.

So on a personal basis I don't think I ever helped the regime, and I think Cyprus as a whole (GCs & TCs) gained from my personal contribution.
Unfortunately, and I am really sad to admit it, all good relations and friendships have already evaporated. No one beleives there will be a solution anymore and I personally gave up.
I don't enjoy seeing the northern part getting Turkified and islamified while the TCs became totally helpless. They all yielded to what Ankara plans for them.

Pyro,

I got everything you said my friend, which is why anyone using the term "traitor" is too harsh for what we are talking about. The reason why I used the term "subsidized" was because of the petrol as being cheaper than the RoC, which kind of surprised me, because each time I went to Turkey few years back, the cost of petrol was parallel with the cost of petrol in Switzerland, and considering that on average wages in Switzerland are almost 6-8 times higher than what they are in Turkey, the Turks were paying equivalent 6-8 times more for petrol than I was in comparison, so if the petrol was much cheaper in the north than in Turkey or the RoC, then it had to be subsidized by someone. In any case, my point was, for those who work and live in the south need to support their own economy in order to maintain the services that they have through their income taxes, property taxes and sales taxes.

[B25]

Amen to that kiks.

[GUGO]

THIS FORUM IS NOTHING BUT A FORUM FOR RACIST BIGGOTS WHO JUST WANT TO AT ANY OPPRTUNITY TO RANT THEIR HATRED FOR TC,s OR Ts. YOU ALLOW THE BRITISH TO ABUSE CYPRUS TO FLY THEIR JETS AT WILL TO FLY OFF TO DROP BOMBS FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT. THE ONLY WAY TURKEY WOULD WITHRAW FROM CYPRUS IF THE ISLAND LITERALLY SANK INTO THE SEA. AS LONG AS THE ISLAND FLOATS TURKEY WILL STAY JUST AS THE BRITISH DO IN THE SOUTH. I WISH THEY DID CLOSE THE BORDERS. I fucking hate seeing you lot coming to the north acting like your superior than my people just because your Christian club EU which UK are leaving hahaha. You have everything yet you want more out of us. Why the fuck did turkey not just wipe the whole lot of you in 1974. They should have taken 70% of the land and forced the lot of you out. The fact we left you at a majority in Cyprus is the situation we are in now. Fucking dumb Turks should have taken the land we took in 1571 back and ruled as we did.

[Kikapu]

THIS FORUM IS NOTHING BUT A FORUM FOR RACIST BIGGOTS WHO JUST WANT TO AT ANY OPPRTUNITY TO RANT THEIR HATRED FOR TC,s OR Ts. YOU ALLOW THE BRITISH TO ABUSE CYPRUS TO FLY THEIR JETS AT WILL TO FLY OFF TO DROP BOMBS FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT. THE ONLY WAY TURKEY WOULD WITHRAW FROM CYPRUS IF THE ISLAND LITERALLY SANK INTO THE SEA. AS LONG AS THE ISLAND FLOATS TURKEY WILL STAY JUST AS THE BRITISH DO IN THE SOUTH. I WISH THEY DID CLOSE THE BORDERS. I fucking hate seeing you lot coming to the north acting like your superior than my people just because your Christian club EU which UK are leaving hahaha. You have everything yet you want more out of us. Why the fuck did turkey not just wipe the whole lot of you in 1974. They should have taken 70% of the land and forced the lot of you out. The fact we left you at a majority in Cyprus is the situation we are in now. Fucking dumb Turks should have taken the land we took in 1571 back and ruled as we did.

Looks like someone got up at the wrong side of the bed, or maybe, at the wrong country!