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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:34 pm

...i am having quite a conversation in the Cyprus Mail,

...and what have we learned as Cypriots? Such as it is, "Greekness" and "Turkishness" have found a way to divide us and leave us silenced to their usurping of such an Identity. But, the result from decades of this brutal assimilation is a People, which despite it remain.

Such as it is with God, the Cypriot way: a choice.

...trust, respect toward each other; those who serve Lovingly.

Indeed, our Faith, as Cypriots, is united. Having many Faiths who stand together in such celebrations are not uncommon here. Yet, our Leadership in all its forms has let us down; on this i will agree. It seems that way because they have taken the position of their worst extremes, and this is a corruption that willfully dismisses what is a simple fact: Persons like Individuals are not so easily defined but by merit. (the words, charity, and grace, come to mind.) That, despite all our differences, there is, (even in a world of many gods, or none,) one God.

Perhaps Individuals, like Persons should not be defined, but recognised, in Cyprus.

"Greeks" like "Turks" are a Political myth, Cypriots are real.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/11/21/the- ... -equality/

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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:41 am

Friday, October 21, 2016
When will Hellenism see its own blunders?
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/10/21/will- ... -blunders/


...it is interesting that all this debate is written in English, a language which does more to threaten "Greekness" or "Turkishness", than each other; such is the bigger world. Somehow, now for decades, the interests of Cypriots have been dismissed for the benefit of those among us who have taken the time to keep the rest of us isolated from each other. But, Cyprus, and Cypriots exist. Despite "it", Cypriots, and Cyprus, still exist.

"This" must stop, as Reverend Tutu said, when he was visiting here only a few years ago.

...in my Cyprus, there would exist many Constituencies, where Individuals, as Cypriots choose by residing in one of these Cypriot Constituencies, as Persons, to sustain its distinct identity. In my Cyprus, this I can define as Liberty, because such a National Assembly, and such a territorial jurisdiction, is secured by a Federal Government, where as Cypriots we defend each other and our Freedom, as Cypriots, without any further distinction or discrimination, (being Individuals,) as equals.

Cyprus is an ethnos. It is not "Greek" and not "Greek", or "Turkish" and not "Turkish".

...Bicommunal and Bizonal are not dirty words, neither is the word Federation. It is a matter of intentions; Canada, and the USA, both come to mind as successful BBFs. Enclaves are not a dirty word either, and for the same reason. Justice must be seen. Our displaced, those missing, even the dead, need from us, the living, recognition and respect; that while they are and were the victims of the "Greeks" and "Turks" around them, they were victimised for being Cypriots, not "Greek", or not "Turkish". I suggest that if the "Green Line" must exist, so too enclaves on both sides of it, obliging the Greek and Turkish Constituencies to provide services island-wide, securing a Cypriot's Freedom of Movement, Association, and Expression, and to secure and end to it being a "border". In any case, Communities were displaced; some, as communities not just as Individuals, should return.

For those of us that consider the Flag of Cyprus as a temporary rag, I say, you are mistaken. For the rest of us, I say, enjoy it, fly it high every chance you get. I remember, Koray Basdogrultmaci and Cinel Senem Husseyin, modern day heroes, who, it can be said, won us that Right. Fly it proudly, that it may represent a Cypriot way, as wanted; a loving nature, a closeness to the land, a sense called Human.

...thank-you Mr. Rolandis; cheers, enjoyed your read.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:25 am

"…indeed only about half those Turkish in Cyprus are “Turkish”, after all these decades of having torn Cypriots apart. Then same is true with “Greeks” and Greeks.

When considering the Cyprus Problem let’s remember who was murdered and made to disappear for the most part. It was not “Greeks” and “Turks” busying themselves killing each other; those who were not “them” were their victims, for “being” Cypriot.

And let’s remember the coup that successfully removed Makarios from power, failed in less than three days. Without the support of Cypriots who were thought to be “Greeks”, but who instead remained shuttered in their homes. It was overwhelming as a fact, Greeks are not “Greeks” just because they are Greek.

It should be obvious by now that “Greeks” and “Turks” are no different, just as Greeks and Turks are no different.

And in affect the Problem is not one of Greeks vs Turks, or “Greeks” vs “Turks”, but “Greeks” and “Turks” vs Greeks and Turks.

…it is perhaps a hopeful sign that Mr. Akinci did not resign, and that he is running for re-election. I ask, does he have the courage to stand under his Flag, the one the “others” have contempt for, the Flag of Cyprus?"

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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:58 pm

Re: I'm fucking angry......
Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:51 pm

...and you can count on those who think the world is free for them to plunder, will resist; this is natural.

What is important to remember is that "we" are individuals, it as as persons where we may find comfort, but acts are done by you, whether it is "you" that you're doing it for or not. That is the Problem; it has no "Greek" or "Turk" in its solution, nor should it, we are Human beings (and not just Persons).

Having my Faith in Love as an infinite power, i/I do not despair, i serve willingly. Cyprus will be Free, because this too is natural. Having made my choice i do not regret "being" a Cypriot, not "Greek", not "Turkish", although it is difficult not feeling welcome by Greeks and Turks who have bought into the mythical reality that "their" side is completely right in any case.

We need good intentions. If "we" are to resist "them", let's make it clear, in Cyprus; it is not about Greeks against Turks, it is not even about "Greeks" against "Turks", it is about Greeks/Turks against "Greeks"/"Turks".
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:33 am

Friday, August 18, 2017
Turkish democracy might be dead — and things could soon get a lot worse

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dem ... f51f8b323c



...i still have hope.

A Legacy for Turkey and all the Turkish People, or he may make his Legacy for "Turkishness"; these the choices, it seems to me.

Despite the odds, or because of them, Erdogan can change his intentions in a minute.

...think for a moment; what has "Turkishness" brought us: an island divided in two, now Turkey divided more than ever.

This is the Problem, Turkey's problem, it starts in Cyprus because what divides Cyprus divides Turkey.

...recall that the USA is a BBF, so too Canada, and Australia, as other examples. It is the Intentions which count.

Cyprus exists except for the "but one", why? Like in Cyprus, about half the population is "them" (read: "Greek" or "Turk" as one in the same). They hold the Agenda, and while there is much suffering, it is not "them" who suffer, it is those not "them", Greeks and/or Turks (read: anyone of another description). Decades pass, "Turkishness" grows badly tearing at the fabric there is toward more crisis.

But nothing lasts forever, and Erdogan knows this. Recognising the Republic of Cyprus is a choice, if it means that at another level of government there exists self-representation for Turkish Cypriots as Persons, it may mean in Turkey that Turks and not only "Turks" could have Liberty. A Cyprus, an equal to Turkey, an ally, is not anathema to his plans, it may consolidate them. Indeed, it gives hope to Turks who are not "Turkish", a Cyprus reunited, and it may serve as a template for Turkey's own Constitutional Reform.

It is Mr Akinci therefore, who holds the key to Freedom in Turkey, i think. If instead of representing "Turkishness" he represents himself as a Cypriot, a Constituency's Leader, he may suffer Mr. Erdogan's ire, but this may inspire him as well. I hope Mr. Akinci remembers who voted for him, it was not the "Turks" but Cypriots who are Turkish. And in Turkey, (for a BBF,) Turks need this debate as well.

He, Erdogan, may say one day, One Country, One Cyprus, One Turkey.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:52 pm

Thursday, April 11, 2019
Akinci lashes out at ‘aggressive’ Anastasiades
https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/04/10/akin ... stasiades/


...what does Mr. Akinci not get? It is simple. If he wants to reform the Constitution he can demonstrate that he is a Cypriot.

...i am left, from the day he was elected, wondering, who he has become.

Who can deny that Cypriots voted for him, and yet, since that day (and that angry phonecall), it is for "Turkishness" he speaks exclusively.

Who can forget his ridicule of Mr. Anastasiades for wearing ''two hats''. And while Mr. Anastasiades defends all Cypriots as Individuals, and as Persons he, in the negotiations also represents the island's Grecophones, Where has Mr. Akinci represented himself to Cypriots, a Cypriot, and as such, Mr. Anastasiades' equal, to Cypriots?

He is at this moment, a servant-slave, a parasite, in Erdogan's mind. He must choose.

...is he Turkish, or, a "Turk"?

He can stand beside the Flag of Cyprus. He can say for once that "Turkishness", that which has divided Cyprus for decades, is no better than the "Greekness" he abhors. Cypriots are not "Greeks", and they are not "Turks". One thing is clear, both treat this Flag equally as a rag. And if he continues with his "mentality", who is he betraying?

...i ask Mr. Akinci to remember, i ask all of us to remember, that while the "Greeks" and "Turks" were busy on their killing spree, who is it that they murdered, and made to disappear? "Greeks"? "Turks"? Each other? No, not them, but Cypriots, for "being" Cypriots; this is something to think about.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:49 am

Tuesday, December 08, 2015
Bizonality still a sticky question in the Cyprus talks
http://in-cyprus.com/bizonality-still-a ... rus-talks/


What is a "Turk"? What has "Turkishness" got to do with Cypriots having representation based on Universal Principals, the self-representation which demonstrates the will of Cypriots, as Cypriots?

In my Cyprus Bizonal is not that hard to understand. Regardless of how you divide Cyprus as parts, One Government represents us as Cypriots. One Country exists as a State, and that is the Republic of Cyprus. Under it, all its Citizens are equal, without any discrimination or distinction additionally needed.

Indeed, Cypriot Constituencies exist, and they can be identified by the living relics, language, communities and homes, these Constituents care for till today. As Cypriots, if we are prepared to consider that Cyprus has an Ethnos, (more than "being" mostly Greek,) Cypriots should also be prepared to apply themselves accordingly with Constitutional Reform respecting the nature of this Heritance. If we are prepared to consider that a "Turkish Constituency" should exist, should there be Constituencies for the Maronite, Latin, and Armenian populations which have the same struggle, in terms of sustaining their distinctiveness, as Cypriots. Why not? Why not a Greek Constituency while we're at it? Why not a set of Cypriot Constituencies, at another level of government?

Where in this demand, by or for a Turkish Constituency, is there an effort to represent the principals that clearly indicate an interest in the affairs of Cypriots as a whole? Why are "their" demands so different to my own for example, if "they" care for Cyprus? How are "they" equal to the Republic? They, the occupation's regime, concern themselves with "Turkishness" (and only "Turks" to them are acceptable); there, anyone who dares to fly the Flag of Cyprus risks a great deal of controversy, although just recently, legally, it has been ruled that people have the right to do so.

...in short, such a demand, for "Turks" or "Turkishness", as it is, is asking for a lot, and folly, from a position where (illegally) "they" have much more than they should, "they" seek to care only for themselves, and where "they" "deserve" (and because they have little to offer) very, very, little.

...solution is easy, ask for 7 percent (almost too hard to refuse), and be willing to accept (far) less.

...as for the rest of us, Turcophone, Grecophone, and Cypriot, dividing Cyprus, to "give" some of it away to "someone" who sees us as an "other", seems far fetched, unjust, and a step backwards for Humanity, not just for Cypriots.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:03 am

Thursday, December 26, 2019
Oh, Woe Is Poor Turkey…
https://armenianweekly.com/2019/12/26/o ... or-turkey/


…if i may add to a most interesting opinion piece, that, Cyprus, is the key to all these issues; i ask:

why must Cypriots be denied their identity as Cypriots, how is it that Turkey as a “National cause” denies their existence; are the Alevi not Turkish, or the Kurds? (never mind the Greeks and the Armenians they hardy exist in Turkey anymore)
…i ask, if Cyprus cannot be “Greek”, how is Turkey “Turkish”?

why has “Turkishness” taken the view that Turks, not “Turkish”, are their adversary, for decades in Cyprus, and now in Turkey, “it” tearing it apart? Is the world, that which is not “Turkish”, what willfully they are hostile toward, what “Turks” are against?

with the Aegean, and now Libya, linked to oil and gas, having been linked to Cyprus, will he negotiate a settlement of equals that is as comprehensive as UNCLOS, and a suitable improvement to the Treaty of Lausanne, having disrupted the balance of power, thus having brought the protagonists together?

…by recognising Cyprus, as Cypriot, he may have all these things; Fame, the esteem of all Humankind, Peace among all his neighbours, even Peace at home. He may find in such a notion, recognising Cypriots as a People whether Turkish or Greek, one country, that Cyprus may be made up of Cypriot constituencies, as Persons quite diverse as well, but that they support equally the Universal Principals on which, as Individuals they are prepared to defend each other.

…by tearing Cyprus in half, isn’t infamy his Legacy?

…is it in Cyprus that he is looking for the “perfect” BBF, something he can emulate?
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:06 am

Wednesday, January 21, 2015
Russia keen to use military bases in Cyprus
http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/01/21/russi ... in-cyprus/


...so long as it is possible to facilitate the social-exchange of our neighbours, and allies, Cyprus should do so. My hope is that this island will be demilitarised one day, that there will be no need for its People to defend themselves, that way. It may be that the island will evolve to be supra-militarised with the world so intent, it seems, on exploiting it as a location where the one of the many interlocutors, gain an advantage over their adversaries (as though Cypriots don't exist). On the other hand intentions count for something; Disaster, Terrorism, Hunger, Disease, Ignorance, even Climate Change, as enemies may find their center here.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:48 am

Monday, August 26, 2013
Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus40649 ... ml#p767973


indeed, like the formation of the IPO, blame was accepted. it is the same, Turkey can correct her own wrongs, it has nothing to do with the negotiations, or the Cyprus Problem, it is the recognition of fact from which an intention can be established, Cyprus a whole, Cypriots respected for what they are, not just "Turks", and "others", a People as proud.

you may demonstrate with all the examples you want, true, half-true, and out and out fabrications or lies, to make your point, vp, that your hatred has a reason to grow (and that this enmity will last forever). but, we are Humans, and as Cypriots, as a majority (80%) which is Greek, the compromise was made, it is not up to you ("you") to ask for more than that (a BBF). it is up to you to act accordingly; i ask, are you Cypriot? would you be glad to live as in any country, an Individual, whether the part of a majority or minority, equal. and as well, being a Person having a means to self-representation that equals other Persons? as a Citizen of the World (because you were not born in Cyprus, although here you want to stay), can you not see that your responsibility is toward the rest of Mankind (before your own distinctive preferences)? you vp, seek recognition of a State, so that there is a Greek State and a Turkish State, essentially to leave things the way they are.

...what is wrong with one Republic, where if we are no different to Greece and Turkey, it is because Universal Principals are demonstrated by these States. and i suggest to you that we can as Cypriots choose to live in any one of many states as Cypriot Constituencies (bicommunally), this to you, it would seem to me, should be far more important than an airport, outside of the Republic's control impossible to "give".

...and anyway, you are doing just fine, if i am to believe what you say, (you need nothing from the Republic (if i am correct in my understanding of what you say)), it is a fine way to show goodwill, to just give back what you are not using (and that does not belong to "you").
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