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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Mar 21, 2022 5:02 am

...indeed it is Cyprus which is realistic and Ankara which has made "maximalmist" demands, that of her supremacy over all her neighbours in the East Med., for one. Let's not forget that while even Palestine sits with Israel on the East Med. Gas Forum as an equal with all its other members, Turkey does not. Having thrown out the Treaty of Lausanne he expects from such disruptions that his neighbours will throw out the principles of UNCLOS too.

...Erdogan may have all the gas he wants, with a small change of intentions on his part by recognising the existence of Cypriots, whether the government which represents them is dysfunctional or not, like the rest of the world and at the gatherings his neighbours have with them, filling his empty chair will get him even more than gas..


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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:35 pm

Friday, January 10, 2014
CYPRUS TO BE AGENDA IN ANKARA
http://cyprusscene.com/2014/01/08/34160 ... ment-87489


''...what is needed is a clear definition of the words, Individual, and Person. One talks of community rights, as though our Individual Rights need no defense, or that as a Nation, Freedom is second to the Liberty it provides.

To satisfy the desire for a Turkish Constituency in Cyprus, what is missing is other Constituencies. For if there was a Greek Constituency, they would be equals, and as Persons free to support an Agenda where they can sustain this distinct identity with the self-representation that effects their daily lives. The Republic of Cyprus would do well if this other level of Government existed, and as Citizens it would be possible to fly many flags, (as a bicommunal country) because it is the Cypriot Flag that would fly higher.''
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Mar 26, 2022 7:40 pm

Monday, May 02, 2016
Good vibes in Cyprus: Solving the Greek-Turk conflict would bode well
http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/edi ... 1604300077


''...i would like the same in America, where, no one is allowed to identify themselves as Americans, where there are rules which limit an Individual's Freedom because they were born a New Yorker, or a Californian, as Persons, refused the same respect in other states. Why not? The USA is a Bicommunal Bizonal Federation. This is what the "Turks" expect from those not "Turks" (read: "Greeks"), in Cyprus.

Cyprus exists, to everyone "but one", as VP Biden has said. Cypriots exist too. Ask, Koray Basdogrultmaci and Cinel Senem Husseyin. While as Persons, distinctions like Custom, are different, yes it's true, (while for the most part they are Grecophones), they are Cypriot.

...and to the authors of this article, i suggest that they reconsider "who" and what they are endorsing, because while "Greeks" and "Turks" exist, "they" should not be rewarded, Greeks and Turks exist, the other half as i like to call them, and they continue to be ignored or dismissed.''

...now, in the Ukraine, the same questions will be asked, who is Ukrainian and who is "Ukrainian", who is Russian and who is "Russian".
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby Get Real! » Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:58 pm

13 females murdered by their partners in the space of just TWO years… not in some American town like we’ve come to expect, but in Cyprus!

https://philenews.com/koinonia/eidiseis ... -syntrofoi

Why?

Because we have chosen to follow Satan’s path by joining the EU which is an extension of the arch-criminal satanic America!

Since 2004 we have embarked on adopting and embracing every criminal trait the disgusting West is more than happy to export to us including… drugs, robberies, corruption, child molestation, rapes, and murders!

This is NOT the Cyprus we knew… this is NOT our culture!

I emphatically reject this new bogus Cyprus… this disgraceful trash that we have become, will never be my country!
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Mar 31, 2022 3:22 am

Sunday, April 10, 2016
The Catch 22 that keeps Cyprus divided
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/04/10/the-c ... s-divided/


''Just once, I would like to see Mr. Akinci stand beside the Flag of Cyprus. I would like to hear him once say, "I am Cypriot, first". Trust, and respect are needed; so too, called for.

Whether there is only one, two, three, or more Constituent states, in Cyprus, in my mind is secondary to the principal that as Cypriots, our Principals are Universal. There is one Cyprus, we are Cypriots, Greek or Turkish, Maronite or Armenian for that matter, as Persons, the need is equal, an ability to sustain these distinct identities in Liberty. Freedom is not Liberty, Freedom does not make these distinctions of ethnicity or race, gender, religion, or age, Freedom makes no distinction, or discrimination at all, Freedom is our Individual Rights, and what we as Individuals can do to defend it (them). There is no such thing as "Greek" Freedom, "Turkish" Freedom (from "Greek" Freedom) is no less a fraud, because only when we rise above our "Greekness" and our "Turkishness", is there the presence of mind to see Cyprus as Cyprus, as a Cypriot whole, and where, as Human Beings, we choose to better ourselves; the Freedom of choice, so that as Persons we thrive.

There is no equal to the Turkish Constituency, because a Greek Constituency, at this moment, (does not exist, and) sees no benefit in the self-representation that comes from it. Never the less, a Turkish Constituency can exist (and have a Territorial Jurisdiction) within the context of a set of Cypriot Constituencies, and while such a Constituency may sit alone, now, it is up to this Constituency to demonstrate its usefulness to the others, toward the future. It, is no equal to the Republic. Without this clear understanding, and a demonstration of it, the difference between, "being" a Person and/or an Individual, will remain unresolved. And the problem that is the Problem, that there is a difference between the words, Freedom and Liberty, that the Problem is not an Issue between "Greeks" and "Turks", but in defining words like, Nation, and State, will also remain.

One Flag of Turkey flies over Turkey. One Flag of Cyprus flies over Cyprus.
How is that so hard to understand?''
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Apr 01, 2022 12:28 am

...no Cypriot wants Cyprus to be "Greek"

...no Cypriot wants Cyprus to be "Turkish"

Cypriots are neither "Greek" or "Turkish".

...while many Cypriots, Greek or Turkish as Persons seek representation as Constituencies, as Individuals, as Cypriots, they seek to defend the notion that beyond this Liberty there is the Freedom of equality that all People enjoy within a State based on Universal Principles and a Rule of Law, without the need for any further distinction or discrimination.

...let's not forget that while "Turks" and "Greeks" may be holding the Agenda to the Problem after all these decades, neither has swayed the vote in their favour conclusively in any election, given that "they" never represent more than half of the ballots counted; it is something which cannot be ignored by those who claim that Cypriots are few and easily dismissed: their power as voters speaks for itself.

https://cyprusscene.com/2022/03/31/tata ... ic-island/

...again; will it get published?
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:54 pm

...i may wax poetic, but such phrases are used to describe Cyprus the cross-road to three Continents, and Greece where people chose as a People for the first time; the point being, on subjects like these, their sensitivities may be far more refined, or at least our notions of them.

There is no delusion. You are deluded if you think the Problem is limited to Cyprus, or that Ukrainians face no less a threat from "Ukrainians" because presently they are both fighting "Russians" in the Ukraine.

Ukraine and Cyprus have a lot of similarities if you think about it; one is older than Russia, one is older than Greece, both suffer from these facts denied.

...and allow me to add, as a Citizen of the world, i feel no sense of "Superiority", unlike "Them".


https://cyprus-mail.com/2022/04/08/zele ... 5821968216

...a reply to one of the readers who said, '' ''Cradle of Civilization and the Cradle of Democracy'', Oh 4 FS, how delusional can you be in your Hellenic sense of Superiority?''
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:00 pm

...what more can be taken from the Turkish Cypriot? They have been usurped of all their water, their electricity, the gas, and their identity, for the creation of a world of "Cypriot Turks" who leave them over all this time worse off, as well as isolated, more a barrack for the Turkish Army with services in affect.

...i am looking forward to the summer, and the Covid restrictions lifted soon. Most of all i am looking forward to the beaches, under the circumstances taking them back on so many levels; we may see Cypriots making souvla together (and that too has a meaning with so many levels).

Notions of "Greekness" and "Turkishness", Greek and Turkish Cypriots have come to realise that they are, the same; indeed, no different in their financial affairs, no different in their success silencing such a notion that Cypriot lives matter having now been unnaturally divided for decades, and indeed no different in who they victimised during their murderous sprees, not each other but those not "Them" who to this day they deny exist as a People, of Cypriots often said, too few and insignificant. Cypriots have faced the existential question honourably, as Cypriots enduring to fight such Ignorance.

The Turkish Cypriot is the vanguard, let's not forget. Small as a group of people as they are, they pose the biggest threat there is, to "Turkishness"; they have nothing left to lose. They may choose to represent themselves as Individuals, not as "Turks", as they are Cypriots they may choose to create a Cypriot State, where within it, Cypriot Constituencies allow for these Peoples' distinct identities to express their Goodwill and Goodfaith as Majorities, as Persons, toward the Minorities who choose to live among them by providing in their Agendas for their special needs as well.

...as such, a BBF in Turkey would not be hard to accept by its People for themselves in their own Constitutional reforms, torn as they are by "Turkishness" as well, if it succeeds in Cyprus, because they also are a People who seek governance as Persons, not just as Individuals.

...when they dare to say again "asiktir turkyie'', this time i hope Greek Cypriots will join them.


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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:42 am

Tuesday, December 08, 2015
Bizonality still a sticky question in the Cyprus talks
http://in-cyprus.com/bizonality-still-a ... rus-talks/


What is a "Turk"? What has "Turkishness" got to do with Cypriots having representation based on Universal Principals, the self-representation which demonstrates the will of Cypriots, as Cypriots?

In my Cyprus Bizonal is not that hard to understand. Regardless of how you divide Cyprus as parts, One Government represents us as Cypriots. One Country exists as a State, and that is the Republic of Cyprus. Under it, all its Citizens are equal, without any discrimination or distinction additionally needed.

Indeed, Cypriot Constituencies exist, and they can be identified by the living relics, language, communities and homes, these Constituents care for till today. As Cypriots, if we are prepared to consider that Cyprus has an Ethnos, (more than "being" mostly Greek,) Cypriots should also be prepared to apply themselves accordingly with Constitutional Reform respecting the nature of this Heritance. If we are prepared to consider that a "Turkish Constituency" should exist, should there be Constituencies for the Maronite, Latin, and Armenian populations which have the same struggle, in terms of sustaining their distinctiveness, as Cypriots. Why not? Why not a Greek Constituency while we're at it? Why not a set of Cypriot Constituencies, at another level of government?

Where in this demand, by or for a Turkish Constituency, is there an effort to represent the principals that clearly indicate an interest in the affairs of Cypriots as a whole? Why are "their" demands so different to my own for example, if "they" care for Cyprus? How are "they" equal to the Republic? They, the occupation's regime, concern themselves with "Turkishness" (and only "Turks" to them are acceptable); there, anyone who dares to fly the Flag of Cyprus risks a great deal of controversy, although just recently, legally, it has been ruled that people have the right to do so.

...in short, such a demand, for "Turks" or "Turkishness", as it is, is asking for a lot, and folly, from a position where (illegally) "they" have much more than they should, "they" seek to care only for themselves, and where "they" "deserve" (and because they have little to offer) very, very, little.

...solution is easy, ask for 7 percent (almost too hard to refuse), and be willing to accept (far) less.

...as for the rest of us, Turcophone, Grecophone, and Cypriot, dividing Cyprus, to "give" some of it away to "someone" who sees us as an "other", seems far fetched, unjust, and a step backwards for Humanity, not just for Cypriots.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:39 pm

Tuesday, November 19, 2019
Bicommunal demo on Friday to call for reunification
https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/11/19/bico ... ification/


''Indeed, beside the "Greeks" and the "Turks" there is the other half who call themselves, Cypriot.

Deny this as they will, this fact remains, while "they" may have there own candidates, after decades there remains enough of the Cypriot electorate to produce results that do not reflect "their" needs.

I recall the Occupy Movement, where in the Buffer Zone, thousands of Flags, the Flag of Cyprus, were hung, from children across the island, so that they too could demonstrate their solidarity: Cyprus is Cyprus; "We" are Human.

...more than the last election, this one if Akinci wins, will not be a referendum on Cyprus, but a clear demonstration that there exists a Cypriot voice not just Turkish but against "Turkishness".

I wish the demonstrators luck. Flags in Cyprus seem to draw so many extremes; i remember Solomou. And i remember Koray Basogrultmacı and Cinel Senem Husseyin, too. My Hopes are with them.''
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