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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:29 pm

...an edited comment resubmitted for publication,

Divided as they are, for the People of Israel and the People of Cyprus, most certainly there will be no solution without taking into account that the dwellers in Israel have lived together in effect for thousands of years, or, as in Cyprus, that Cypriots are also considered, (and at a cross road to three continents), as also having lived under subjugation, as a culture still surviving, for as long. As in the Ukraine, watching it in the process of being torn up, in this problem too, the Problem is exposed to be the same for all of them.

Indeed as Persons they differ, yet their extremes see the solution through brutal force toward each other.
(...how convenient for "Them", the other half their hapless victims mostly unarmed and civilians.)

Where is the Humanity beyond that, once a People are divided? Where is our/their Basic Human Rights, the Peoples' representation as Individuals; without further distinctions or discrimination, equals in defending the values and Universal Principles that make it so (without them united)?

...hijacked, the Agenda.

Must Cypriots be "Greek"? Must Turcophones be "Turkish"? Must Israelis be (only) Jewish? And Russians, not "Russians", in the Ukraine (and in Russia), don't they exist?

...i ask the readers to recall that the USA is a BBF (Bizonal Bicommunal Federation); as a Modern concept, (just predating the French Revolution) it was the very first as a matter of fact. That within a State (where there exists a Rule of Law and Good Government), Individuals are Free to express their thoughts without fear, to travel and to associate accordingly. And, having constituencies (at another level of government), this Liberty, as Persons, allows for such distinct identities to thrive, to share in Goodwill and in Good Faith, as Majorities recognising and respecting the Minorities that live among them by providing in their Agenda these special needs as well.

So it is that intentions count.

In Cyprus, i am hoping it is the beaches Cypriots will take to make souvla together at their own "picnics" this summer, to demonstrate themselves to be a loving people; one as such: that would make a most hopeful change and a fine example difficult to ignore. I suggest in Israel the same may occur, demonstrations of Israelis, Arabs and Jews wanting change, because it will expose those against such a notion, the "Jews" and "Arabs" (as they define themselves; to be unable of such tolerance). It will become that much more difficult for "Them" to dismiss (in effect about half the voting population in either case) as insignificant and too few to matter, the People seen to be united (in this way); that too is a great step forward.

...yes, i am hopeful (still) having Faith in the notion of 'Us', as those not "Them".

And in the Ukraine at this moment three men of great talent will decide their own fate, as Heroes, by ending the(ir) Problem(s) with a Political model that they all know too well, a BBF, (a solution, that is by all of us defined as "perfect"; in Freedom where an Individual is most clearly defined to be no different to any other Individual and in Liberty that as Persons they (these Citizens) at another level of government are given the capacity to demonstrate this respect and trust toward each other accordingly: perfect because all countries may emulate its values, held in such esteem), or, as failures these men will have to live with this infamy, possibly (one) facing War Crimes as a consequence.

In this Ukraine, these men may change themselves and they may change the world.

(n.b. Erdogan too, now faces the divisiveness of "Turkishness" at home beyond Cyprus, tearing at the very fabric of his own State; in his own Constitutional reform, (with an end to the Problem; recognising Cypriots as well, while uniting Ukraine) will he redefine "Turks" on time for Turkey's Centennial in two years: will a BBF do just fine in Turkey too?). (And of Putin having sacked Russia's Democracy, (to be a lesser BBF, and one far more militaristic); this "Russianness" not having demonstrated itself to be better for him, what will he change it to, again? (With a better BBF in Russia, like a better BBF in Turkey and the Ukraine will he save himself from infamy?)

Or, is it Zelinskiy who will cave,? Under their powerful influence, around such men, the constant pressure to choose; unable to see a change in them ultimately becoming them, to reach no further than "Ukrainians" in war and as a State, (depending on men like "them" to defend his "side" with as much brutality toward his own civilians): while "being" Ukrainian is far more complex? (...the answer to this question, if "They" remain unchanged i fear most of all.)

Change (as in intentions) would seem imminent, everywhere, at this extraordinary moment, what with the existential questions we face as a race called Human, what with real enemies like Hunger and Disease to fight; we should not be fighting each other (lest we Forget): Ignorance perhaps is the greatest enemy of all.

...the Problem is the problem (or is it the other way around?); in Cyprus, and in Israel, (in Turkey), primarily, as in Iraq, Iran, Syria and Libya, and now soon to be it seems in the Ukraine: our world missing the point as yet splitting 'us' in two. As Martin Luther King said, beyond desegregation is integration, and as Rev. Tutu said, "This" must stop; two men who know the Problem well, it is something to think about all around.

(dare i say as an example, and in the USA: the Problem; "Americans" abound who consider Americans not like "them" to be un-American, enemies of "their" State.)

Let's remember Solomon in his wisdom did not tear the baby in two.

https://hir.harvard.edu/cyprus-and-isra ... terranean/
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:46 am

Saturday, July 09, 2022
Our View: Has the UN presence in Cyprus itself become part of the problem?
https://cyprus-mail.com/2022/07/08/has- ... e-problem/

...the UN is in Cyprus for exactly the same reason that the world supports Ukraine.

Here in Cyprus, we the People, suffer its results; the Problem.

There in the Ukraine, the People have not been divided yet, but such a solution seems to be inviting.

...who wins if this is the case? Not Humanity, neither the Basic Human Rights 'we' seem to take for granted. They are lost to those with their mythic dogmas at the extremes; yes "Ukrainians" exist, and so too "Russians", no different to the ''Greeks'' and ''Turks'' who in Cyprus have done no better, for (and to) Cypriots.

Is there something better, to replace the UN. And the Universal Principles that they defend and represent?

(...ask yourselves.)

...a BBF ends such conflicts easily; it is a matter of intentions. It is what people want (in Turkey, in Russia, in Cyprus, (to name a few), and in the Ukraine too); Representation as a State, where there is as Individuals no distinction or discrimination as Citizens, in Freedom equal, and where, that within this State exists as well Constituencies, Persons in Liberty representing themselves as a Majority with the same Goodwill always mindful of the minorities living among them in Good Faith, demonstrating this capacity by providing in their Agenda for these special needs as well. (What is the USA, if not the first BBF?)

It is a matter of overcoming our own Ignorance as Mankind, as a Human race, because we should not be fighting each other, Lest we Forget. There are however (like Hunger, Disease, and Plunder), bigger enemies which need the same Hatefulness against them.

Indeed, the UN remains in Cyprus to defend Cypriots; because the "Greeks" and "Turks" that live among them have already shown themselves to be no different as murderers in treachery against each other perhaps but most surely against those not like them: (in practical terms) more reasoned, unarmed, and having a civil nature.

Cyprus is and has been the cross-road to three continents for millennia; who should "own" it?

(...and in the Ukraine; ask yourselves.)

Does Solomon in his wisdom tear babies in half?

(...who but a "Greek" or a "Turk" would be against their interest (UNFYCYP) in Cyprus; i ask.)

The UN is welcome to stay, i say; and until the Problem is ended for 'me': as a Cypriot i am grateful.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:49 am

Thursday, October 02, 2014
Turkish government plays with Kurdish fire
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/securit ... 1-93108473

...and what is wrong with a Turkey that is Bizonal, and Bicommunal?

What if there existed a Republic of Turkey, and within it another level of Government where by a Territorial Jurisdiction the Constituencies which make up the Turkish People have self-representation as Persons, where they serve themselves first perhaps (to sustain their distinct identities), but with respect and recognition of the minorities that live among them; Canada comes to mind, as a successful BBF.

...if within Cyprus there would exist a Greek Constituency, (and other Constituencies equal to it) as well as a Republic, it is not unreasonable to consider the benefit a Turkic Constituency offers to Turkey, similarly.


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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:35 pm

Friday, July 22, 2022
Our View: 48 years after the invasion, we are a step away from partition
https://cyprus-mail.com/2022/07/21/our- ... partition/

...if we (the other half) allow ourselves to be divided, we lose our Basic Human Rights. As this island's dwellers, as Individuals, as Cypriots, we will not be Free to act lovingly toward each other and this land. Indeed the "Greeks" and "Turks" that live among us will have what they want the baby torn in two; so Solomon would say: this is the Problem.


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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:38 am

Monday, August 01, 2022
Cyprus solution: a comprehensive set of ideas
https://cyprus-mail.com/2022/07/31/cypr ... -of-ideas/


In my Cyprus, as a voter for the Bicameral Legislature of the Republic, i would vote thricely in effect from three separate ballots: for a Turkish Cypriot Representative, for a Greek Cypriot Representative, and for an Independent representative. Thusly, Parties who want to command a majority in a Chamber where the seats are evenly divided Turkish and Greek, will have candidates on both slates, and accordingly their values and Policy will have to appeal to the electorate as Cypriots Greek and Turkish. A Leader, the President having won a majority in such a House, with winning a majority of seats would not necessarily be Greek despite the overwhelming nature of this demographic; Parties in effect will compete on Principle instead: where every voter and every vote is the same. And, in the House which is for sober second thought, people known more locally, possibly for issues more regional or as problem solvers will be on the third ballot; voting by consensus once elected, represented by their Speaker, each representing a more local population, (their voters per se) and not any Party. (Such representatives will provide a voice to independent thinkers, distinct identities, people widely respected, and those who may be preparing themselves to be better candidates in Cyprus' political life.) Sitting in the Legislature's Committees allows such Representatives to debate in their House more profoundly the issues toward informing the public their view (as a safety valve) from a different perspective overall. They may call for amendments, they may refuse a Bill outright, but after a third presentation, if the Legislature persists such a Bill becomes Law; with the public aware.

In my Cyprus, Nicosia would be home to three Capitals. And as a measure of frugality the Bureaucracy is harmonised, seperate perhaps, but having a unified mission, having the capacity to serve all Cypriots accordingly. In such a Bureaucracy promotion would be based on merit, being trilingual and being bilingual would be greater assets, so too being multilingual speaking Arabic for example, which in Cyprus Maronites (among others) speak.

In my Cyprus, the division of power between the Federal Government and the Constituencies in Cyprus, legislatively speaking is not so hard to understand; where one level sets standards and their criteria (accountability) as the People; Cypriots being Individuals. While the other, the Constituencies, being Persons, demonstrate their Goodwill in their capacity to provide services, choosing how to execute these decisions independently, mindful as a majority that living among them minorities have special needs as well, within what is their territorial Jurisdictions. The Constituencies themselves may associate, and they may even present themselves in unanimity, like when it comes to representing their consideration toward legislation the Federal Government will take or that they want changed, for example; it would be a powerful message in any case..

In my Cyprus, while the "Green Line" will continue to exist little unchanged it will be no "border", and no "Checkpoint" will exist on it, it will not be armed, being only an indication of a frontier among many where enclaves will have been added to the geographic fabric of Cyprus, on both sides of it. Cypriots will enjoy the fact that service, schools, and hospitals, in their own language first, is always near no matter where they live, with enclaves, island-wide. Cypriots will (have to) trust in each other, and respect themselves, having Free Movement, Free Association, and Free Expression in such an environment: as Cypriots. Both National Assemblies, composed (also) of such parts competing for their attention, benefit from such diversity adding to their vitality, the voter closer and more concerned with decisions made locally effectively resulting in better decisions being made from the debate, and better accountability, in their National Assemblies respectively. The displaced let's not forget, will have Justice seen, with enclaves, if as Turkish and Greek Cypriots they return as communities living together in their Urban centers. And if as, Communities, (not just as an Individual's Right of Return but,) as they were removed, they see for some at least the return of their villages too.

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