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[MR-from-NG]

Are you serious Kikapodulous? The conversation, my questions and Icemans answers are exactly in the order as can be seen. I'm not a shorthand typist so I couldn't keep note of the exact words he used so for the benefit of the viewers I added a bit of colour to the conversation I personally think my words better describe you than the words used by Ice.

Anyway, lets put everything aside for just one minute and please allow me to ask you a simple question. What would make you happiest? The success of the project or the failure? It's a simple enough question and a simple answer will suffice.[/quote]

So dickhead, admit you have lied that those were not Iceman's responses and then I will answer your question.[/quote]

Read my post above you attention seeking, no friends Walter Mitty [/quote]

Right. You have lied by embellishing everything Iceman said with your own White Trash peasant's editorial version. Got it. [/quote]

Never claimed to be a city boy. I'm originally from Ortakoy. Thats a village just a few miles from Nicosia. We probably have the most colourful language in Cyprus [/quote]

Enough said![/quote]
Are you going to answer the question?

[Get Real!]

Kikapu never had partition as his original cause. You can not "switch from", "betray" or "desert" something which you were never part of.

The cause of the TC community has long been an independent state on CY… everybody knows that!

Kikakopoulos, is against this idea which makes him anti-cause to his community.

It’s not a case of Kiks being "right" or "wrong" about this, but about how his political stance is perceived by the two communities.

He is a turncoat to the “TRNC”… there’s no doubt about that.

[Pyrpolizer]

I am for reunification, on many occasions I've GC forum members to accept me as a Cypriot and to embrace me as one but all I got was rejection.

You cannot be friends with everybody , especially in this forum. that can crush everyone who is even slightly off the flow.
Just like in real life you have to be selective.
In any case a TC must be very thick to stand this forum, since he cannot defend against GCs who feel they were severely damaged by the wrong doings of your community which compared to your own damage around the mid 60s is objectively much more severe and much more prolonged.
For Christ sake you became friends with people of this forum (probably via the few meetings organized in the past) who time and time again made it clear they don't want to have anything to do with you TC people...

I wouldn't like to push you out of this forum, but maybe it's best for you. It's not accidental that so many respectable TCs like Iceman, Birkibrisli and so many others went on to bi communal groups on Facebook. You know you are in my list of respectable don't you?

Coming back to your question :
yes I would prefer the project to have succeeded. I don't believe it did as planned, but then again to the degree it solved such a basic human problem of having no water to take a shower that's fine with me.
I don't buy the argument that it will make the solution more difficult, but it is true that Turkey will have a leverage on you for eternity even after a solution.

[Pyrpolizer]

Back to the project once again.
The pipes were supposed to be hanging from some huge buoys.
These buoys should be visible in the sea and form a straight line towards Turkey.
However I see nothing in Google earth.
And I heard nothing from anyone so far seeing such things. Any info?

[Jerry]

Back to the project once again.
The pipes were supposed to be hanging from some huge buoys.
These buoys should be visible in the sea and form a straight line towards Turkey.
However I see nothing in Google earth.
And I heard nothing from anyone so far seeing such things. Any info?

No the buoys are under the surface, here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l1EGkCoNrY
I'm no engineer but the whole concept looks fragile to me and prone to storm and current damage.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu never had partition as his original cause. You can not "switch from", "betray" or "desert" something which you were never part of.

The cause of the TC community has long been an independent state on CY… everybody knows that!

Kikakopoulos, is against this idea which makes him anti-cause to his community.

It’s not a case of Kiks being "right" or "wrong" about this, but about how his political stance is perceived by the two communities.

He is a turncoat to the “TRNC”… there’s no doubt about that.

GR, your example does not apply to me to the mere fact that I am not a citizen of the "trnc". If my fellow TCs who are citizens of the "trnc" and became Turkish and only recognize the "trnc" as their state and at the same time they are "citizens" of the RoC as TCs/Cypriots, but do not recognize the RoC as their state or country, then they become the turncoats/traitors/collaborators against the RoC, whereas I remain a simple TC/Cypriot ONLY recognizing the RoC. The fact that majority of the former TCs who are now "Turkish citizens" via the "trnc" as their only recognized state, I do not belong with this group, hence the fact I can never become a turncoat to the "trnc" as I have zero relationship with such entity or it's Turkish citizens of the "trnc". The "trnc" cannot force me to become it's Turkish citizen. They would like to but it's not going to happen.

For example. Lets say there are 20,000 TCs/Cypriots living in Australia as Australian citizen and Australia is recognized as their country. If I choose not to become an Australian citizen also, will that then make me a turncoat to Australia just because large group of my community are an Australian citizens and also recognize Australia as their country? The answer has to be, "of course it doesn't", and the same rules will apply to the "trnc".

[Kikapu]

Are you going to answer the question?

Personally, I hope non of Turkey's projects works in Cyprus, because whatever they do, it is done as an occupying force and against the wishes of sovereign country of the RoC. What gives Turkey the right to violate other countries sovereign rights? Did Turkey not shoot down a Russian jet because it supposed to have violated Turkish airspace by less than a mile? So, I am against Turkey doing anything in Cyprus, because it may seem like a short term gain for the TCs, but it a long term loss for the TCs, as Pyro put it very well, that Turkey will be able to have complete control over the TCs as if it wasn't bad enough already at the present time. The fact that we have TCs who act like Turkish and not Cypriots, then they will have no one to blame but themselves. I want no part of anything coming from Turkey at this period in time to Cyprus. Once there is a settlement and Turkey leaves Cyprus and acts like a friendly European country, then let the part begin, but until then Turkey means nothing to me because they are only interested what is good for Turkey and not what is good for Cyprus or for Cypriots.

[MR-from-NG]

I am for reunification, on many occasions I've GC forum members to accept me as a Cypriot and to embrace me as one but all I got was rejection.

You cannot be friends with everybody , especially in this forum. that can crush everyone who is even slightly off the flow.
Just like in real life you have to be selective.
In any case a TC must be very thick to stand this forum, since he cannot defend against GCs who feel they were severely damaged by the wrong doings of your community which compared to your own damage around the mid 60s is objectively much more severe and much more prolonged.
For Christ sake you became friends with people of this forum (probably via the few meetings organized in the past) who time and time again made it clear they don't want to have anything to do with you TC people...

I wouldn't like to push you out of this forum, but maybe it's best for you. It's not accidental that so many respectable TCs like Iceman, Birkibrisli and so many others went on to bi communal groups on Facebook. You know you are in my list of respectable don't you?

Coming back to your question :
yes I would prefer the project to have succeeded. I don't believe it did as planned, but then again to the degree it solved such a basic human problem of having no water to take a shower that's fine with me.
I don't buy the argument that it will make the solution more difficult, but it is true that Turkey will have a leverage on you for eternity even after a solution.

Thank you for your kind words Pyrpolizer. The respect is mutual. My comments were on behalf of the TC community. On a personal level I can deal with rejection, even though it is not a nice feeling. I know the vast majority of TC's feel exactly as I do. They are frustrated by your rejection. They fight day and night with mainland Turks defending their Cypriotness and then they have to deal with the humiliation of being told they are merely Ottoman remnants left behind by an invading force and don't even belong here.

Anyway, I'm encouraged by some of the posts on CF and some of the joint events taking place by the 2 communities. I hope we are close to a fair,peaceful and lasting solution to the problem.

[MR-from-NG]

Are you going to answer the question?

Personally, I hope non of Turkey's projects works in Cyprus, because whatever they do, it is done as an occupying force and against the wishes of sovereign country of the RoC. What gives Turkey the right to violate other countries sovereign rights? Did Turkey not shoot down a Russian jet because it supposed to have violated Turkish airspace by less than a mile? So, I am against Turkey doing anything in Cyprus, because it may seem like a short term gain for the TCs, but it a long term loss for the TCs, as Pyro put it very well, that Turkey will be able to have complete control over the TCs as if it wasn't bad enough already at the present time. The fact that we have TCs who act like Turkish and not Cypriots, then they will have no one to blame but themselves. I want no part of anything coming from Turkey at this period in time to Cyprus. Once there is a settlement and Turkey leaves Cyprus and acts like a friendly European country, then let the part begin, but until then Turkey means nothing to me because they are only interested what is good for Turkey and not what is good for Cyprus or for Cypriots.

Kicks, I'm no fan of Turkey and am looking forward to the day when all settlers leave and we have a united island. The water project has been completed and has brought much needed water to your compatriots, at least feel a bit of comfort in that they're not having to ration water anymore.

I don't know you but I'm sure you're a good guy and probably a fun guy for a beer or 2. My only problem is you overplay your hand. You repeatedly state the obvious which is something that even the hardheaded GC's don't do anymore. ROC, Sovereign, Occupying, Violation blah blah blah. It's unnecessary imho.

[Get Real!]

Methinks we need a new thread… “The trial of Kikakopoulos!”

I nominate the following setup:

The accused: Kikapu

The charge: Overplaying his hand in the CyProb

Three judge panel: The honorable… MR-from-NG, VP, Lordo

The Grand Mufti: GR

Secretary: Oracle

Translator: Tim

Bucket Boys: Kurupet & Yialoser

Toilet Cleaner: Sotos

Coffee & sandwich maker: Pyro