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Re: Floods in Nicosia

Postby Paphitis » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:11 am

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MR-from-NG wrote:4 dead so far in the north with more rain expected by Sunday. Our idiots are guilty of manslaughter because if they hadn't blocked and land-filled all the rivers running through cities and villages the water would have had somewhere to flow to. I remember 2 small rivers and having to cross 2 bridges in our village. There are block of flats there now.


...this happens everywhere, it still happens, not just in Cyprus, when developers buy land, like a riverbed, because it is cheap. Houses by a riverbed, dry or not make for excellent views, housing on the riverbed makes them that much more money, for building housing; but before it becomes a catastrophic disaster, it may take forty years, it was too late (as planned), there were buyers, never mind a Civil Service that chased(s) the immediate reward of having more taxes to spend.

...it would be nice to have a Federal government, above this influence, which sets (and being in the EU follows) standards, that Constituencies, and their Municipalities respect and recognise as acts. (...just saying.)


No it doesn't.

there is no way you could be sold land in the creek or river bed here. There are planning rules that are followed.

Riverside yes, that could be subject to flooding every now and then. Plus, a small block that is riverside on the Brisbane river as an example is worth a minimum of 3.5 million AUD or about 2.5 million Euros. Very high end and exclusive.

The last floods occurred in 2011 because the authorities were too late to open the catchment's dam and were caught napping. If they opened the damn 1 or 2 days earlier, the water would have been released into Mornington Bay. They were caught napping and then the deluge occurred, and when they finally opened the damn, it made it worst at that point.

Because of that, the cities storm water catchment system was improved at a cost of over a Billion Dollars.

22 people died.

In addition, there is not much scientific evidence that global warming is human induced. The planet goes through a number of warming and cooling cycles and it is currently in a warming cycle right now which is natural and was always going to happen. Also, extreme weather phenomena were just as frequent many decades ago as they are today, the only difference is that we have TV, Internet and a 24 hour news cycle that reports them constantly.

Global Warming is just a wealth redistribution system by the United Nations and the left from rich countries to the poorer countries - because the rich countries are forced to cut emissions whilst China and India are allowed to build more than 250 fossil fuel plants giving their economy access to very cheap energy whilst the first world is debilitated with more expensive Green Energy resulting in the elderly not being able to afford cooling in the hot summer heat and heating in the bitter cold of winter. This also gives China and India an unfair competitive edge as it drives their manufacturing costs down, which is why most manufacturing occurs in China by Western Countries like the USA. Apple manufactures its IPhones and Tablets in China, paying Chinese workers about $10 per day. It is a sweat shop. But these antics will not be allowed under Trump. The left should be rejoicing, but they are not! :evil:

So whilst the Western World goes "green" energy, all the corporates who "virtual signal" about global warming and put solar panels on their high rise offices in New York, London and Sydney and pump out their virtual signalling brochures, also move their entire manufacturing to China, where most of the energy is fossil, thus pumping out more pollution than ever before by moving their manufacturing from the USA, or Australia as an example, to China. People are so dumb and believe the propaganda so much. Sheeple you all are so wake up! :roll:

Just another reason WHY, Trump (USA) and Australia must never sign the Paris Agreement until this UN abomination collapses and is destroyed forever. EU countries might not be allowed because of their occupation and inability to exercise their sovereignty. :mrgreen:

In fact, I believe these countries should have walked out of the UN over the so called migration pact. When I mean walk out, I mean rescind their UN Membership and make a statement they no longer recognize the UN at all, and cut all funding. USA Ambassador to the UN Nikki Hayley, really is a magnificent ambassador in that hell hole of despots and dictators trying to dictate to the world. Once countries like the USA, and Australia withdraw, the UN becomes an irrelevance and has no authority at all. Some other countries may follow as well.

BTW, China has surrendered in its trade war and is asking for negotiations and even offered to buy more stuff from the USA. Trump has said he will listen but if the balance isn't addressed, then the trade war will continue. This Trump fellow has some serious balls! For the first time ever, a "politician" (if you can call him a politician) with intestinal fortitude. :shock:

Trump is one hell of a smart cooky. No one (usually the leftist Nazis) have given this man any credit for his genius, but it is apparent that the US economy is today the fastest growing OECD economy in the world. Australia was first for a long time and just got toppled at the top by Trump's America, and that friends is food for thought! :mrgreen:

Trump is the international leader every country needs - and I really mean that.
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Re: Floods in Nicosia

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:23 pm

...so, if i get your point, no need for a Federal government, Global Warming is a hoax, and Trump will solve all our problems because he is great.

...really?
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Re: Floods in Nicosia

Postby Paphitis » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:52 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...so, if i get your point, no need for a Federal government, Global Warming is a hoax, and Trump will solve all our problems because he is great.

...really?


Not exactly.

Global Warming is a huge beat up. I wouldn't go as far as saying it is 100% completely a hoax. The warming associated with humans could be very small or minute to almost non existent.

These are the facts and I like looking at the facts. The total global warming we have today, is only a small fraction of what was predicted by scientists 2 to 3 decades ago. In other words, temperatures have only risen by 0.1 or 0.2 of a degree from memory, and they do not know how much of that is associated with the earth's own cycle and what portion is associated with human activity. But this of course doesn't fit with the regressive leftist narrative we have become so familiar with in the West.

Also, if you go back into Cypriot history you will see that floods, whilst quite rare, do occur in Cyprus and have occurred in Cyprus for centuries. You can't just look at severe weather phenomena and blame it on climate change. this is just illogical. I have been flying for 26 years, and quite often in tropical areas too, and I have seen some pretty scary weather out there, and I even had a close call on my own life once many years ago and probably am lucky to be alive. Today, I am an avid weather watcher. I think most of us are, or should be...

Also, people need to get real. You can't on the one hand virtue signal, and give China and India a free pass on climate change. You can't have all the Billion Dollar corporations put Solar Panels on their massive 100 story HQ high rise corporate centers in London, New York or Sydney and move their factories to China in order to exploit cheap labor and dirty fossil fuel cheap energy. This only serves to destabilize and compromise our own people and workers.

No Trump will not solve the global warming issue. He will solve many of the problems faced by the American people and get them into jobs, working and prospering and so far he is on the right track. He can only govern for America, and in America's interest. That is what he was elected to do. Yes so far he is great, because he is no virtue signaler and he is telling it the way it is to the UN. He voted down the Paris Agreement and the Migration compact and the USA is not the only country to do this either but he gets the negative publicity.

And yes, there is a need for a Federal Government. Our Federal Government is in fact vital. I don't know where you got the impression that the Federal Government is redundant.

But yes, let me give you a nice little tip. I said a long time ago that Trump will be either a big flop or the greatest US President in history. he is the anti-politician. The anti-establishment deep state POTUS. He was always going to be unconventional. but you no what, people have become fed up of the conventional, seeing their jobs being exported overseas to China. So they voted for Trump, to let him have a go and see. I personally am liking what I see. The USA is so lucky to not have that Hillary. And I wish we had a Trump figure in Australia. Go ScoMo, all eyes on you now. So far, ours has gone to the UN and G20 and told everyone to take a flying jump and F Off. He has been taking some pointers from Trump. If he keeps that up, he has the next election in the bag. 8)

The US economy is growing at over 3%. It has toppled Australia which is growing at 2.8%. The USA is now first among the OECD countries. Look at Trump's achievements in an objective manner and do not pay any attention to the media. He has literally achieved more than any US President since Ronald Reagan so far.

He is the POTUS the world desperately needs.

Most people are actually so dumb...
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Re: Floods in Nicosia

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:30 am

...sorry, which Federal government, "Our Federal Government"?

...America, Australia, Cyprus?
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Re: Floods in Nicosia

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:06 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...sorry, which Federal government, "Our Federal Government"?

...America, Australia, Cyprus?



Federal Government for US, Australia, Canada, Germany is perfect.

A Federated Cyprus isn’t ideal and very expensive for a small island with a population of 1 million - less than a major city.

Cypriots will be sorry for such over government on an island it takes 90 minutes to drive from one end to the other.

Cyprus will be a buerocratic swamp. You will need a Trump to drain the swamp quickly before you start bashing your own heads in.
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Re: Floods in Nicosia

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:30 am

...indeed, but in 80-200 years it will have shown its worth, with a population of 12 million or more.
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Re: Floods in Nicosia

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:47 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...indeed, but in 80-200 years it will have shown its worth, with a population of 12 million or more.


I don’t believe Federation is a viable option for Cyprus.

12 million is completely unsustainable for Cyprus too. That would translate to a global population of 80 Billion. The earth does not have the resources to cope with this. I shudder to think.

The world will need to somehow control population growth - like China did with the one child policy.

Wars will occur purely on water and food until we exterminate ourselves back to the Stone Age. Speaking of which, there is no water in Cyprus and if they desalinate so much the oceans will be extinct of fish because of the over salty brine.

Cyprus would be one endless concrete jungle. Not good at all ......
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Re: Floods in Nicosia

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:56 am

https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/12/08/neop ... in-floods/

Moreover, measures against a possible flood were taken at Dr Burhan Nalbantoglu hospital in the occupied part of Nicosia for fear that the occupied Gonyeli dam would overflow, notes the paper, adding that the self-styled ministry of education announced that the "public" and private schools of primary and secondary education would be closed yesterday and today.

Under the title "You are murderers", Afrika refers to the "officials" and reports: "You are talking about a 'natural disaster'. However, you are the disaster! [?] All governments which built in the rivers and gave permission for everything to be done in exchange for profit, all district governors, all mayors and the responsible engineers as well as everybody who turned a blind eye to all this should be tried!"

The paper wonders who had given the "permit" for the construction of Vuni Palace Hotel in a river bed in occupied Keryneia in a manner by which the rain water is obstructed from reaching the sea.

Yeni Duzen reports that vehicles in the above-mentioned hotel's area had been dragged into the sea, while three vehicles in occupied Lapithos and Karavas had been carried away into the stream. Hundreds of vehicles cannot be used anymore because they sank into the mud. One house in occupied Dikomo collapsed. The self-styled mayor of Dikomo stated that the disaster had taken them 20 years back.

Other front-page titles used by some papers are as follows:

Star K?br?s: The price of treason against nature was heavy

Havadis: We are in mourning

Halk?n Sesi: Our pain is a flood

K?br?s Postas?: Disaster said 'I am coming' and it came! When it came it took lives this time

Detay: Black Thursday!

Vatan: Great disaster!

Nacak: Those responsible should be tried!

Hakikat: Crime

Haberator: The lack of measures and negligence took three lives


http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/201 ... .tcpr.html

...this has caused quite a stir for Turcophones in Cyprus living in the occupied territories.
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Re: Floods in Nicosia

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:00 pm

Paphitis wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...indeed, but in 80-200 years it will have shown its worth, with a population of 12 million or more.


I don’t believe Federation is a viable option for Cyprus.

12 million is completely unsustainable for Cyprus too. That would translate to a global population of 80 Billion. The earth does not have the resources to cope with this. I shudder to think.

The world will need to somehow control population growth - like China did with the one child policy.

Wars will occur purely on water and food until we exterminate ourselves back to the Stone Age. Speaking of which, there is no water in Cyprus and if they desalinate so much the oceans will be extinct of fish because of the over salty brine.

Cyprus would be one endless concrete jungle. Not good at all ......


...Cyprus will be an oasis, or it will be a crowded and a stark frontier beyond which is worse desert.

don't shoot the messenger, but this is , by some circles optimistic.
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Re: Floods in Nicosia

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:13 pm

[07] Columnist on the disaster: "The lands on which we constructed buildings, which we divided into parcels and sold are not 'ours'"
Columnist Serhat Incirli in Turkish Cypriot newspaper K?br?s Postas? (07.12.18) comments today on the disaster caused by the heavy rainfall and floods in the occupied area of Cyprus. Under the title "Apology or resignation", Incirli reports, inter alia, the following:
"'More population', says a friend. 'It should become equal with the Greek Cypriots', he adds. I salute him!

Much more population means much more buildings, much more hospitals, much more schools. Buildings were constructed, the hospitals are insufficient. And the schools! And the roads!

We had absolutely no proper laws and plans. We tried to issue 'decrees' and save the day.

We have even put up our ideology for sale. For the sake of daily profits, for the sake of unearned incomes we constructed houses, apartments at every point, but really every point of the country that 'makes money'.

And we have hidden the real truth. What was the real truth? Actually, these lands on which we constructed buildings, which we divided into parcels and sold, were not 'ours'. You were also afraid of the solution! Because the solution might have given these lands, which you divided into parcels and sold and from which you earned unbelievable money, to their real owners!

'But they did not say yes to the Annan Plan, they said no'! [?] And because they said no, was it necessary for you to choke Lapithos, Karavas and Keryneia into concrete, regardless of whether your infrastructure was adequate or existed? Did this give you the right to erect and sell buildings in stream beds, in water ways, everywhere? [?]

If, however, you look at the issue with the lack of planning for 44 years, the lack of reflection, the illegality and the irresponsibility of the non-solution, everyone who became the reason for us to remain far from the solution by saying 'the Greek Cypriots do not see us as equal, the Greek Cypriots do not want us' is responsible. Everyone should give account. [?]

What did bright attorney generals, chief judges and most leading lawyers tell you right after 1974? 'Do not give title deeds, this is not possible'. [?] The established system was such that even the CTP, which opposed the fake system, did the same when it came to power. The leading CTP members were saying 'so what, will the Turkish Cypriots live in barracks?' [?]

Everyone who said 'this cannot happen', 'you cannot squander the property right', have been declared 'traitors of the country' or were silenced by saying 'they are crazy'. Afterwards, when the warnings of these crazy persons, these traitors 'boomed' and exploded in the hands of the thieves, they were forced to establish compensation commissions. They abandoned 'global exchange' and passed to 'compensation, return, exchange' [position].

It failed. Why it failed? Because no matter how many laws, how many tricks, how many tactics are materialized, almost every individual knew very well that this land had an owner. [?]

They tried to gain profit from every single span of looted land. No one paid attention even to the fact that the price of those [lands that had] 'Turkish title deed' was higher! This, however, was a message! It was a warning! They sold cheaper the [lands] with Greek Cypriot title deed, that is, the looted ones, that is, the stolen plots of land!

Meanwhile, they of course neither built infrastructure nor felt the need to do so! They had the mentality of 'what is the need of building infrastructure for the property of the Greeks'! [?]

Of course we are not going to blame the current government, the prime minister, his colleagues in the cabinet!

Some ones should, however, come out and explain that the lack of planning for so many years, the lack of reflection, [?] the theft, the looting was an 'immorality'. And apologize! [?]

My issue is not our brothers, who are members of the government. My issue is the acceptance of this 'system', which derives from the lack of system or the absence of state, the apology and the beginning from zero. This is why the solution is a precondition. The Cyprus problem must be solved. We have no other way. There is no other way.

That is, is the non-solution the reason for the rain and the flood? No! However, the reason for the deaths, the material and moral damage, yes, it is definitely the political non-solution."

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...same source, PIO
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