repulsewarrior wrote:...predictions were dire, even in the '70's, the denial actually began twenty years before, and the debate has raged since then.
The burning of fossil fuels clearly has its issues. It is dirty, and causes grave health, and environmental issues. Climate Change, has moved to the forefront of reasons for its rational use, especially since technology has advanced beyond it. But, the original reasons to change remain.
...it seems absurd with your capacities with computers, cel phones and the like, but you guys remind me of my uncle, who in the end paid extra money to keep his rotary phone (until the telephone company paid him, and gave him a new phone, because they no longer could provide analog service), or, the lady that lived without electricity or running water in the village; she did not need it, anything else, she didn't want it either.
...indeed, i remember Cairo, with lead in the fuel, the smell, and the air, its colour yellow. I remember London, washing my hair, and the soot i could see every evening coming from them. I hope that has changed, like the river i live by, more blue, you can swim in it now, beaches are being (re)built, (healthy) fish have returned, better living from a conscious effort and choice, to mitigate, and to change destructive habits; what is wrong with that?
You do not have a good grasp of reality I am afraid. You have accepted that which has been fed to you by the virtue signalers who can afford to virtue signal. People that do not actually need to work for a living. Such as Hollywood celebrities, and the corporates.
Because let me tell you one thing. The working man and woman, wants as descent livable wage, and job security. That is imperative to them. And they won't have that if the West becomes even more non competitive with the Far East, because all the jobs will be exported there.
Which brings me to the elites. Don't get me wrong. I want the elites (corporates) to do well. Their prosperity is my prosperity too. But they are taking the piss. It isn't enough to make Billions of profits each year, but lets open our factories in China and take advantage of cheap labor and dirty energy. This is what is happening. The energy on offer in Europe, Australia, and USA is greener than in China, but the corporate will on one hand place solar panels on the roof and move their factory to China and pollute even more than ever before.
Which is why it is important that we withdraw from the Paris Agreement on Climate Change.
Don't talk about the 70s as if if we are some how behind. We are not. The science behind global warming is not convincing to say the least. And when you hear people like me say it, out come the accusations of climate denial. It is like we have committed a major offense against the popular narrative. But when you ask questions and for evidence, 99% can't even answer your questions and the other 1% provide some flakey rigged data set.
Most say, "look at the weather patterns, they are so crazy". Sorry but that is the biggest bullshit I have ever heard. The planet has al;ways had extreme weather events for centuries. The frequency of these weather patterns is no different today than it was 500 years ago.
I am not a global warming skeptic. I believe it is occurring, but at an extremely slow pace. Also, it is highly debatable that human activity has had a significant impact on global warming at all. If it has, it is
minuscule. I certainly do not believe all the dire predictions and forecast because every single one has proven to be false up until now.
Today, those moving ahead are the voices that are standing up against the popular narrative. Not the ones that agree with the narrative.
And the narrative, is all about the global regressive left narrative, wealth redistribution, and a movement towards globalism and totalitarianism. We have seen it now in the USA since 2016. The Regressive left have basically shat upon their vibrant democracy as if it has failed them because of trump.
