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Re: Sotos: what are your favourite browsers and why?

Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:22 pm

Paphitis wrote:And people are switched on enough to take 100 cars for a test drive and know which car feels right and the Classic just doesn't feel right when you are dictating to others on how they interact on the net and deny them access to Google Servers like YouTube.

So basically, you take it upon yourself to assume that your users will never want to subscribe to YouTube. Who will you ban them from next - Netflix, Hulu, Stan, or Amazon?

Sorry dude, but your browser is broken.

My users (usually mature adults) appreciate that I’ve gone out of my way to give them the safest and most private browser currently on the market, and with the only sacrifice being the blocking of well-known (to developers) spying Google servers, which unfortunately includes Youtube since it now belongs to Google.

This of course doesn’t mean that they cannot browse such sites and read their articles or play their videos, but they simply cannot log-on there with this browser.

As for other sites you mention... logins should work if they are not associated with the 12 odd blocked Google servers.
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Re: Sotos: what are your favourite browsers and why?

Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:07 pm

The blocked Google servers I mention do not provide any content to websites so it’s not like you’re missing out on anything by blocking them.

Their only purpose is the Data Acquisition of (1) user identification and (2) user activity.

By blocking them you can even use the REAL Google Search safely as in the Classic Browser, but not so in other browsers.

Here is the evidence...

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Re: Sotos: what are your favourite browsers and why?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:09 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:And people are switched on enough to take 100 cars for a test drive and know which car feels right and the Classic just doesn't feel right when you are dictating to others on how they interact on the net and deny them access to Google Servers like YouTube.

So basically, you take it upon yourself to assume that your users will never want to subscribe to YouTube. Who will you ban them from next - Netflix, Hulu, Stan, or Amazon?

Sorry dude, but your browser is broken.

My users (usually mature adults) appreciate that I’ve gone out of my way to give them the safest and most private browser currently on the market, and with the only sacrifice being the blocking of well-known (to developers) spying Google servers, which unfortunately includes Youtube since it now belongs to Google.

This of course doesn’t mean that they cannot browse such sites and read their articles or play their videos, but they simply cannot log-on there with this browser.

As for other sites you mention... logins should work if they are not associated with the 12 odd blocked Google servers.


Keep up the good work! When something is unique it has it's own special value.
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Re: Sotos: what are your favourite browsers and why?

Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:20 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Keep up the good work! When something is unique it has it's own special value.

I forgot to mention that further to our discussion on the importation of user accounts, I have since added CSV format (comma-delimited file) support for the importing and exporting of site membership user accounts. This of course relies on the other browser having "Export as CSV" support.

So I’m hoping that you’ll be one of those who download v4.4 when released, and TEST the account importing feature for me. :)

I did of course run some tests already but there's nothing like the feedback from a real-life scenario.
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Re: Sotos: what are your favourite browsers and why?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:23 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:And people are switched on enough to take 100 cars for a test drive and know which car feels right and the Classic just doesn't feel right when you are dictating to others on how they interact on the net and deny them access to Google Servers like YouTube.

So basically, you take it upon yourself to assume that your users will never want to subscribe to YouTube. Who will you ban them from next - Netflix, Hulu, Stan, or Amazon?

Sorry dude, but your browser is broken.

My users (usually mature adults) appreciate that I’ve gone out of my way to give them the safest and most private browser currently on the market, and with the only sacrifice being the blocking of well-known (to developers) spying Google servers, which unfortunately includes Youtube since it now belongs to Google.

This of course doesn’t mean that they cannot browse such sites and read their articles or play their videos, but they simply cannot log-on there with this browser.

As for other sites you mention... logins should work if they are not associated with the 12 odd blocked Google servers.


Safe from what?

You browser is no safer than any of the other browsers. If people don't want to log into YouTube, they don't have to. They don't even have to use Google Search Engine as they can opt for another such as Duck Duck Go. And they certainly don't need to log into Google. They can also delete all their user data within their Google Account. That wipes the slate clean, and Google doesn't know anything about your activity at all after you delete it.

You browser isn't safe at all, and it denies the user flexibility, choice, access to a major content provider and it also doesn't have a cache, meaning that every refresh of any page means a full 100% file download every time.

What you can't stop is your ISP collecting your data. By law they have to keep it for 2 years, and hand it over to the Government upon request.
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Re: Sotos: what are your favourite browsers and why?

Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:33 pm

Paphitis wrote:Safe from what?

You browser is no safer than any of the other browsers. If people don't want to log into YouTube, they don't have to. They don't even have to use Google Search Engine as they can opt for another such as Duck Duck Go. And they certainly don't need to log into Google. They can also delete all their user data within their Google Account. That wipes the slate clean, and Google doesn't know anything about your activity at all after you delete it.

You browser isn't safe at all, and it denies the user flexibility, choice, access to a major content provider and it also doesn't have a cache, meaning that every refresh of any page means a full 100% file download every time.

What you can't stop is your ISP collecting your data. By law they have to keep it for 2 years, and hand it over to the Government upon request.

It’s your “expert” user opinion versus my developer’s opinion backed by plentiful evidence I constantly provide. :)
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Re: Sotos: what are your favourite browsers and why?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:35 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Safe from what?

You browser is no safer than any of the other browsers. If people don't want to log into YouTube, they don't have to. They don't even have to use Google Search Engine as they can opt for another such as Duck Duck Go. And they certainly don't need to log into Google. They can also delete all their user data within their Google Account. That wipes the slate clean, and Google doesn't know anything about your activity at all after you delete it.

You browser isn't safe at all, and it denies the user flexibility, choice, access to a major content provider and it also doesn't have a cache, meaning that every refresh of any page means a full 100% file download every time.

What you can't stop is your ISP collecting your data. By law they have to keep it for 2 years, and hand it over to the Government upon request.

It’s your “expert” user opinion versus my developer’s opinion backed by plentiful evidence I constantly provide. :)


What makes you a better developer than the developers of Mozilla who have developed the new Quantum?

There opinion is to give people the choice to do what they want. they just provide the resources and capabilities to allow their users to do whatever they want. In other words, feel free to use Google Products all you like, or not.

What do you think the reaction would be if Mozilla banned users logging into YouTube? It wopuld be a suicide move, and it would probably hit the news as a form of CENSORSHIP.
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Re: Sotos: what are your favourite browsers and why?

Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:40 pm

Paphitis wrote:What makes you a better developer than the developers of Mozilla who have developed the new Quantum?

There opinion is to give people the choice to do what they want. they just provide the resources and capabilities to allow their users to do whatever they want. In other words, feel free to use Google Products all you like, or not.

What do you think the reaction would be if Mozilla banned users logging into YouTube? It wopuld be a suicide move, and it would probably hit the news as a form of CENSORSHIP.

I’ll use another (translated) Cypriot proverb...

“When there are too many roosters (in a pen) morning never breaks!”

That’s the problem with open source projects... morning never breaks. :)
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Re: Sotos: what are your favourite browsers and why?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:43 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:What makes you a better developer than the developers of Mozilla who have developed the new Quantum?

There opinion is to give people the choice to do what they want. they just provide the resources and capabilities to allow their users to do whatever they want. In other words, feel free to use Google Products all you like, or not.

What do you think the reaction would be if Mozilla banned users logging into YouTube? It wopuld be a suicide move, and it would probably hit the news as a form of CENSORSHIP.

I’ll use another (translated) Cypriot proverb...

“When there are too many roosters (in a pen) morning never breaks!”

That’s the problem with open source projects... morning never breaks. :)


Nonsense!

Morning has broken alright and Mozilla is back with a vengeance. It's a brilliant product with huge market share.
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Re: Sotos: what are your favourite browsers and why?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:13 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Keep up the good work! When something is unique it has it's own special value.

I forgot to mention that further to our discussion on the importation of user accounts, I have since added CSV format (comma-delimited file) support for the importing and exporting of site membership user accounts. This of course relies on the other browser having "Export as CSV" support.

So I’m hoping that you’ll be one of those who download v4.4 when released, and TEST the account importing feature for me. :)

I did of course run some tests already but there's nothing like the feedback from a real-life scenario.


I will do that in the next few days. Since it can import from CSVs I won't even bother exporting them from other browsers. I will create one manually. It's just text with commas.
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