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[Robin Hood]

What a Fascinating exchange?

So, ........ what about this bloody tunnel? Do I need a visa or not and will the Brits build a wall with check points with or without a back stop? BTW: What's a back stop?

[Kikapu]

On the subject of the referendum for Brexit, or any other referendum by the people, it is never ever clear cut case that such referendum can be carried out fully to respect the voters wishes. There are always obstacles to overcome from legal matters, legislative matters, constitutional matters, club rules matters and so on. Just because majority voted to leave the EU, it does not mean they can. Democratic vote is not absolute in every case. If Brexit cannot be fulfilled due to various obstacles I have mentioned above, then the government or the MPs should be able to stop it without needing a second referendum by the people, unless the next referendum, if ever there will be another, should spell out exactly what it is being voted on and that it has already passed the various challenges mentioned above. Even a complicated marriage divorce drags on for a while which has the ”votes“ of just 2 people.

[cyprusgrump]

On the subject of the referendum for Brexit, or any other referendum by the people, it is never ever clear cut case that such referendum can be carried out fully to respect the voters wishes. There are always obstacles to overcome from legal matters, legislative matters, constitutional matters, club rules matters and so on. Just because majority voted to leave the EU, it does not mean they can. Democratic vote is not absolute in every case. If Brexit cannot be fulfilled due to various obstacles I have mentioned above, then the government or the MPs should be able to stop it without needing a second referendum by the people, unless the next referendum, if ever there will be another, should spell out exactly what it is being voted on and that it has already passed the various challenges mentioned above. Even a complicated marriage divorce drags on for a while which has the ”votes“ of just 2 people.

It is perfectly possible to leave the European Union - they even have a special article (Article 50) which defines the process.

And leaving the European Union without a deal is what was promised to the voters (see previous posts ad nauseam).

And you'll be surprised to find that 167 countries manage to exist outside the European Union.

And having a second referendum without implementing the result of the 1st would be utterly ridiculous. It sets a precedent that those calling for it may well regret when it is (inevitably) used against them.

[Londonrake]

What a Fascinating exchange?

So, ........ what about this bloody tunnel? Do I need a visa or not and will the Brits build a wall with check points with or without a back stop? BTW: What's a back stop?

Yes.

What about it? No/no. See “Question for the legal lot”.

[Kikapu]

On the subject of the referendum for Brexit, or any other referendum by the people, it is never ever clear cut case that such referendum can be carried out fully to respect the voters wishes. There are always obstacles to overcome from legal matters, legislative matters, constitutional matters, club rules matters and so on. Just because majority voted to leave the EU, it does not mean they can. Democratic vote is not absolute in every case. If Brexit cannot be fulfilled due to various obstacles I have mentioned above, then the government or the MPs should be able to stop it without needing a second referendum by the people, unless the next referendum, if ever there will be another, should spell out exactly what it is being voted on and that it has already passed the various challenges mentioned above. Even a complicated marriage divorce drags on for a while which has the ”votes“ of just 2 people.

It is perfectly possible to leave the European Union - they even have a special article (Article 50) which defines the process.

And leaving the European Union without a deal is what was promised to the voters (see previous posts ad nauseam).

And you'll be surprised to find that 167 countries manage to exist outside the European Union.

And having a second referendum without implementing the result of the 1st would be utterly ridiculous. It sets a precedent that those calling for it may well regret when it is (inevitably) used against them.

Yes of course there are provisions in leaving the EU, just as there are provisions for any state in the USA to leave the Union should the people of that state vote to leave, however, it does not mean it can happen should it not meet certain criteria. The EU says that the UK can leave no questions asked other than the Northen Ireland/Ireland issue relating to the Good Friday agreements, which the UK was part of the EU when such agreement was signed. If the UK government cannot satisfy the EU and itself to resolve the Irish issue in legal terms, then the referendum on Brexit should become invalid, just as if people held a referendum to have slavery, just because the majority had voted on it does not mean it can be accepted.

[miltiades]

A bit like turkeys voting for xmas !!
Or even more appropriate, prostitutes voting for the abolition of prostitution.
Not a single Little Englander has a valid point, that makes financial sense, as to why the UK is better off out of Europe.
The financial markets have reacted unfavouretely . So have major international companies pulling out or put in on ice investements in the UK.
Still The Europe haters don't give a toss just as long as we ....have our country back, whatever the fuck that means. !!

[cyprusgrump]

Yes of course there are provisions in leaving the EU, just as there are provisions for any state in the USA to leave the Union should the people of that state vote to leave, however, it does not mean it can happen should it not meet certain criteria. The EU says that the UK can leave no questions asked other than the Northen Ireland/Ireland issue relating to the Good Friday agreements, which the UK was part of the EU when such agreement was signed. If the UK government cannot satisfy the EU and itself to resolve the Irish issue in legal terms, then the referendum on Brexit should become invalid, just as if people held a referendum to have slavery, just because the majority had voted on it does not mean it can be accepted.

The Northern Ireland boarder and Good Friday Agreements are merely red herrings like all of the other anti-Brexit fear mongering. It has been seized on by Ireland as they would really, really hate the UK to leave as they have most to lose.

The EU has already proposed an ‘electronic’ boarder at the channel to handle tax collection but strangely this wouldn't be possible at the NI boarder (this has long been proposed by Brexiteers as a solution to the boarder ‘problem’)…?

Further, there has been a Common Travel Area between Ireland and the UK since 1923!

Remember, thousands of British troops couldn’t enforce the boarder so the EU isn’t going to.

Still The Europe haters don't give a toss just as long as we ....have our country back, whatever the fuck that means. !!

*sigh* Same old, same old tired remoaner rhetoric from you…

...it isn’t Europe we hate, it is the EU that we find loathsome…

[miltiades]

Care to name one " loathsome" EU act ?
Just one will do !!

[cyprusgrump]

Care to name one " loathsome" EU act ?
Just one will do !!

Oooh, that is a hard one to start with!

How about the one that forces everybody in the UK, even the poor, to pay more for everyday items (including but not restricted to food) because the EU slaps tariffs on cheaper foreign goods to protect inefficient EU producers...?

...or the one that forces the UK to send ~£170M per week to the EU so it can splash it away on outrageous salaries, pensions and vanity projects...? Money that would be much better spent in the UK.

[miltiades]

Any links from an independent source ?
Perhaps you can also tell us how much our farmers receive? Mate you are not fooling any one. You have a Small Englander mentality. You detest Europe, hate the fact that Germany is the top dog. You also believe, rather stupidly that our country will be better off out of the EU. Sterling doesn't think so.