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USS Liberty 52nd Anniversary.

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:52 pm

Something that I feel of significance. Obviously with it being the anniversary of the event, unlike MSM, the independent’s are recognizing the day. I received this today from – Paul Craig Roberts:

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/06/08/an-israeli-double-feature/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=an_israeli_double_feature&utm_term=2019-06-08

It referenced the following report ............

The Moorer Report - From Wikisource

Findings of the Independent Commission of Inquiry into the Israeli Attack on USS Liberty, the Recall of Military Rescue Support Aircraft while the Ship was Under Attack, and the Subsequent Cover-up by the United States Government (22nd October 2003)

"We, the undersigned, having undertaken an independent investigation of Israel's attack on USS Liberty, including eyewitness testimony from surviving crewmembers, a review of naval and other official records, an examination of official statements by the Israeli and American governments, a study of the conclusions of all previous official inquiries, and a consideration of important new evidence and recent statements from individuals having direct knowledge of the attack or the cover up, hereby find the following:"

The findings of the report in full ................

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Moorer_Report


Accuse me of bias if you wish, or even anti-Semitism but I stand by my personal view that evidence from those that were present on The Liberty that fateful day are far more credible witnesses than ANY witnesses called to an official/Government enquiry. Even today many Americans are not aware of this event as the US Government is still covering up! :roll:
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Re: USS Liberty 52nd Anniversary.

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:15 pm

Sad friendly fire incident by the IAF during the 6 day war whereby the USS Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian Ship.

It happens during war. USS Liberty was at the wrong Place at the wrong time.

Very similar to the TAF attack on a Turkish Ship bear Coral Bay during the 1974 invasion of. Yours when it was mistaken for a Greek Ship.

No investigation required and no cover up here as the Israelis admitted their error and apologised to the US Government. Very sad that 34 US sailors died but this was nothing more than an accident.
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Re: USS Liberty 52nd Anniversary.

Postby Cap » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:33 pm

This was clearly not intentional.
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Re: USS Liberty 52nd Anniversary.

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:33 pm

Cap wrote:This was clearly not intentional.


Yes, of course ....... I mean all the evidence points to it being a 'tragic error by the Israeli's' , until you read the evidence then a very different and equally difficult to believe, scenario, unfolds?' The problem is that the evidence does not support the 'accidental' claim at all.

Maybe read the report then comment? From the independent report led by the following military officers:

Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C. October 22, 2003

• Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, United States Navy, (Ret.) Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff .

• General Raymond G. Davis, United States Marine Corps, (MOH) Former Assistant Commandant of The Marine Corps

• Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, United States Navy, (Ret.) Former Judge Advocate General Of The Navy

• Ambassador James Akins, (Ret.) Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia

Some excerpts from the report.......

......... after eight hours of aerial surveillance, Israel launched a two-hour air and naval attack against USS Liberty.
Israeli air attack lasted approximately 25 minutes....... survivors estimate 30 or more sorties .......... by a minimum of 12 attacking

Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels;

That the torpedo boat attack involved not only the firing of torpedoes, but the machine-gunning of Liberty's firefighters and stretcher-bearers ......... the Israeli torpedo boats later returned to machine-gun at close range three of the Liberty's life rafts........

That there is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.); and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;

.... fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defence of USS Liberty ......... recall of rescue aircraft is supported by statements of Captain Joe Tully, Commanding Officer of the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga, and Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander,

Ship's Captain, William L. McGonagle (MOH), and his brave crew, surviving crewmembers were later threatened with "court-martial, imprisonment or worse" if they exposed the truth.

That due to the influence of Israel's powerful supporters in the United States, the White House deliberately covered up the facts of this attack from the American people;

....... to this day, no surviving crewmember has been permitted to officially and publicly testify about the attack;

That there has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history; the existence of such a cover-up is now supported by statements of Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN (Ret.), former Judge Advocate General of the Navy; and Captain Ward Boston, USN, (Ret.), the chief counsel to the Navy's 1967 Court of Inquiry of Liberty attack;

The report also asked that; That the eighth day of June of every year be proclaimed to be hereafter known as
USS LIBERTY REMEMBRANCE DAY, in order to commemorate USS Liberty's heroic crew; and to educate the American people of the danger to our national security inherent in any passionate attachment of our elected officials for any foreign nation. (This report is dated 2003 and still the 34 that died are not remembered!)


So, correct me if I am wrong but you are saying that these military officers and the survivors of the Liberty are all liars and the documented evidence and sound recordings, are all rubbish and that you then base your opinion, just like Paphitis, on the fact the Israeli’s said sorry? :roll: :x

Your credibility ranks with official story of the guy who committed suicide ......... with one shot in the heart and two shots to the back of the head ? :x

Why do you think the US has tried to keep this under wraps for 50+ years? If it had been an accidental attack ..... then the US would recognise the tragedy and Israel would send flowers to the remembrance service every year !
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Re: USS Liberty 52nd Anniversary.

Postby Cap » Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:34 pm

No dude, it was an accident.
There was no reason.
They did apologize, but the anti Israel brigade will never forget.
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Re: USS Liberty 52nd Anniversary.

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:50 pm

Cap wrote:No dude, it was an accident.
There was no reason.
They did apologize, but the anti Israel brigade will never forget.


When you have read the report instead of relying on anti-Semitism as an excuse ..... THEN you will be in a position to make an informed comment. Look at the evidence from those that were there! It is nothing to do with the anti-Israeli brigade it is all based on facts ..... some of it even provided by Israeli's who were involved at the time.

A probable reason IS given ...... the Israeli's planned to attack Syria and take the Golan .... something they promised the US they would not do! And a few miles off shore was a US Intelligence ship monitoring all their communications! :roll:

PLEASE .... the ant-Semitic line is getting a bit worn, it seems to be a blanket cover for any criticism of Israel and a reason for no explanation as .... anti-Semitic/Israeli accusations covers all! :roll:
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Re: USS Liberty 52nd Anniversary.

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:18 am

The problem is when you tell facts about the Israeli’s you're automatically anti-semite. That perceived view overrides all evidence and credibility of the message ...... so the pro-Israeli's ........ shoot at the messenger!

Some video evidence .......... obviously an accidental attack by Israel! REALLY? :roll:

The day Israel attacked America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx72tAWVcoM


"USS Liberty: Dead In The Water" (BBC Documentary 2002)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2lbSepnEJI


Documentary on the USS Liberty Attack - "The Loss of Liberty" [2002]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkXn85cJZeQ


50 years ago the camera did not tell lies ......... and I tend to believe those that were there and survived the attack, than political excuses and cover ups for Israeli war crimes. :evil:
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Re: USS Liberty 52nd Anniversary.

Postby Paphitis » Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:12 am

Cap wrote:This was clearly not intentional.


Yes it was a friendly fire incident and these are sadly more common than many can ever imagine.

A British and Australian SAS unit operating in Afghanistan once came within seconds of being bombed by USAF B52 aircraft some years back which would have been very devastating.

The US Government has never claimed anything other than an unfortunate and regrettable accident. No matter what, it still does affect the relationship as it would have affected Australian and British relations with the US if their SAS would be bombed by America but in the end our relationship is so strong that we will always find ways to overcome even big hurdles like this because we have all been through a lot together as we all commemorate D Day.

And speaking of D Day, Israel too has sacrificed a lot by way of a gruesome holocaust and also let us not forget that the top commander and liberator of Europe on the Western Front was a prominent Zionist, Field Marshal Monash who founded the Zionist Federation of Australia.

So we all been through a lot!
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Re: USS Liberty 52nd Anniversary.

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:55 am

Paphitis ;

Yes it was a friendly fire incident and these are sadly more common than many can ever imagine.


So you have actually been in this situation then and can speak from personal experience? Effectively, what you are saying is that cover ups are also more common than you could ever imagine? :roll:

Let's face it, if this had even been suggested as an act by Russia, accidental or otherwise ...... it would have started WWIII! But because it is Israel they were let off with giving an apology as there was no other option. Then the US clamped down on the story so that Israel was protected from the wrath of the American people.

If, as you claim, it was nothing but a tragic accident why cover it all up and threaten survivors to keep their mouths shut 'or else'! Even the Medal of Honour, always presented at the White House by the President, that was awarded to the Captain was done in a dockyard to keep it all secret. Most Americans knew absolutely zilch about the incident.

You have obviously never actually read any of the reports or watched the videos as after that only a seriously brainwashed individual would believe the cover up story!

The attack to sink the Liberty was a deliberate act by Israel. The only guesses there are concern their reason for it ..... not the fact. ALL the evidence points to a deliberate act. You are just someone who falls for the US official line every time ..... the idea that Israel could carry out such an act being incomprehensible is what supports the US Government and Israeli cover up. It really is very difficult to believe that your closest ally would do such a thing ...... but the facts say otherwise and so do those who were the victims.

You believe what you want! :roll:
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Re: USS Liberty 52nd Anniversary.

Postby Paphitis » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:46 am

Been in a friendly fire incident? No not me thankfully.

But I do know of a few that were and were almost killed by American Friendly Fire.

War is a very dynamic and fluid environment and these things happen to the very best as well.

I also know of our troops wanting to go green in some pretty unusual circumstances. Such as when witnessing a public execution of a minor. In your language, you would call that a war crime but not all of us will or are the same.

Our troops have witnessed some terrible things and done some great things too in helping normal people in the community.
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