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Re: unitary state solution

Postby Lordo » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:37 am

you basing your fairness on the basis of unitary state which is unfair in it self. i am talking about fairness of a political solution of bbf and a fair distribution of the wealth to each state. once that is done we can certinly follow your idea of fairness in each state. after all the federal level will be in control of the reources and they will regulate how each state spends their income from them.
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Re: unitary state solution

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:46 pm

...nothing unfair about a unitary state.

"You", are not prepared to defend the Principals that make a State, "fair".

...how about considering the Rights of minorities? But what does it matter, if "Turks" will never "be" a minority, what those Turkish do?

So long as those not "Turkish" are excluded from the enterprise in the occupied territories it is what it is, one big enclave, self-imposed for "Turkishness" where only "Turks" may live in comfort. Is the so-called "TRNC" a unitary state?

...if "the North" wants to represent itself in partnership, what are its capacities, what is it they are prepared to work on together, as Cypriots?

...what does ''it'' present, as a resource itself?

Freedom, is what I seek, as a Cypriot and a Citizen of the World; you/"you" seek liberties, it seems, not even Liberty.
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Re: unitary state solution

Postby Lordo » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:30 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...nothing unfair about a unitary state.

"You", are not prepared to defend the Principals that make a State, "fair".

...how about considering the Rights of minorities? But what does it matter, if "Turks" will never "be" a minority, what those Turkish do?

So long as those not "Turkish" are excluded from the enterprise in the occupied territories it is what it is, one big enclave, self-imposed for "Turkishness" where only "Turks" may live in comfort. Is the so-called "TRNC" a unitary state?

...if "the North" wants to represent itself in partnership, what are its capacities, what is it they are prepared to work on together, as Cypriots?

...what does ''it'' present, as a resource itself?

Freedom, is what I seek, as a Cypriot and a Citizen of the World; you/"you" seek liberties, it seems, not even Liberty.

its called past experience rw, with the same thought i would not trust a fox to look after my chickens too no matter how friendly the swine looks.
it has nothing to do with terggishness it is to do with self determination. tcs have the right to determine their own future what ever that may be and they will not have under roc unitary state. especially when the two communities do not speak or write the same language. employment is a big issue.

we had the best chance in 1960 when a lot more tcs were conversant in gc and it was sunk like a lead baloon.

now it is impossible. i am not against uitary as per say, just not now. if we get the two communities able to communicate in about 10 years using fast track education perhaps we have a chance. hence bbf with the intention of unitary state in 10 years if it is possible is the best choice. and it has to be voted for indepdently. tcs will nto be railroaded into any minority status.
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Re: unitary state solution

Postby B25 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:27 pm

The TCs can have the same self determination as you afford the Kurds IN TURKEY.
So foxtrot Oscar to your motherland and leave us in peace.
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Re: unitary state solution

Postby Humanist1 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:53 pm

lordo ther is only one Cyprus and one Cypriot people although there are fascisist in both sides.

A unified Cyprus is just that. Unified. lol.....keep the status quo because it has served both sides well then .... so long as you have alegiance to Turkeyyou will reap the rewards it just deserves
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Re: unitary state solution

Postby Lordo » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:37 pm

B25 wrote:The TCs can have the same self determination as you afford the Kurds IN TURKEY.
So foxtrot Oscar to your motherland and leave us in peace.

by all means take that up with terggy my elam friend. i have no say in terggy, i do not vote in terggy and i do not have a terggish passport either. i do however have 3 passports. fancy that?
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Re: unitary state solution

Postby Lordo » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:41 pm

Humanist1 wrote:lordo ther is only one Cyprus and one Cypriot people although there are fascisist in both sides.

A unified Cyprus is just that. Unified. lol.....keep the status quo because it has served both sides well then .... so long as you have alegiance to Turkeyyou will reap the rewards it just deserves

is there? an yet you can put two people in the same room and the chances are they will not be able to communicate becasue 99% of gc cannot speak terggish and 90% of tcs cannot speak griik. that is a wishful thought but a little premature. we were a lot closer in 1960 where majority of tcs could speak griik but with makarios's help we managed to break that connection.

bbf all the way. there is no one cypriot nation, there are griik cypriots and there are terggish cypriots. they make up the cypriots population but imagining that this is somehow one cypriot nation is lunacy.
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Re: unitary state solution

Postby Humanist1 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:07 pm

The only reason it’s not one Cypriot Nation is because of attitude like yours and other separitists like youon both sides of the divide.

One blessing about living in Australia and having worked as a social worker for 25 years, including work in migrant issues. I have had the honour to serve many a people of many backgrounds and language is a very small fraction of being an Australian. Sure it’s difficult but it’s not impossible.

I can’t speak about Turkish speaking Cypriots butin 2007 when I was in Cyprus I was able to communicate in English with everyone outside my birth village, and it wasn’t basic English either. I think the Turkish speaking Cypriot side because of their searatist ideology will always find issues to searate the Country for good.

Personally on this forum ths far I have advocated many a time that Greek seaking Cypriots have to absorb a lot of the blame for the issues and also absorb many of the losses. I have advocated that the home people live in be given to Turkish speaking Cypriots, I have advocated that setters be given Citizenship, the Greeek flag be taken down from governement buildings, that resources are distributed fairly and yes that means on a person and individual basis not along ethnic lines. And the intransigent stance is now becoming exhausting.

I can also understand that on this forum we may at time want to push the boundaries but try for once to actualy agree with someone on the forum. You will be susprised how much more common we have and see how much more you will achieve. Personally I love multiculturalsism and when i do come to Cyprus I struggle as I do miss the benefits I have been sed too.
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Re: unitary state solution

Postby Lordo » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:20 pm

Humanist1 wrote:The only reason it’s not one Cypriot Nation is because of attitude like yours and other separitists like youon both sides of the divide.

One blessing about living in Australia and having worked as a social worker for 25 years, including work in migrant issues. I have had the honour to serve many a people of many backgrounds and language is a very small fraction of being an Australian. Sure it’s difficult but it’s not impossible.

I can’t speak about Turkish speaking Cypriots butin 2007 when I was in Cyprus I was able to communicate in English with everyone outside my birth village, and it wasn’t basic English either. I think the Turkish speaking Cypriot side because of their searatist ideology will always find issues to searate the Country for good.

Personally on this forum ths far I have advocated many a time that Greek seaking Cypriots have to absorb a lot of the blame for the issues and also absorb many of the losses. I have advocated that the home people live in be given to Turkish speaking Cypriots, I have advocated that setters be given Citizenship, the Greeek flag be taken down from governement buildings, that resources are distributed fairly and yes that means on a person and individual basis not along ethnic lines. And the intransigent stance is now becoming exhausting.

I can also understand that on this forum we may at time want to push the boundaries but try for once to actualy agree with someone on the forum. You will be susprised how much more common we have and see how much more you will achieve. Personally I love multiculturalsism and when i do come to Cyprus I struggle as I do miss the benefits I have been sed too.

this exactly what happens when cypriots move to another country. in australia you don't have the language problem i am not saying australians have no problems but thats not one of them.

before starting to blame people just stop for a moment and just think. assume you now live in a unitary state.

two people have come for an interview. one speaks gc and othe other tc. who gets the job? your ship wil hit the rocks on day one. i have never said i doo not want a unitary state, i am sayong it is not possible now. i am not to blame for tcs not sepaking gc and gcs not speaking tc. for that you have griis and terggy to blame for and the fascists that implemented their policies in cyprus to terggify the tcs and griis for griikifying gcs. to this day this has not changed. it is still being implemented as we speak. the church in the south is in control of education. what the hell chance does anybody have. you must be joking.
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Re: unitary state solution

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:46 pm

...who speaks English?
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