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Re: cyprus treaty of guarantee

Postby Lordo » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:19 am

listen lemon taster boy, its no good telling me what terggy cannot do. it says it here exactly what she can do.

Article II
Greece, Turkey, and the United Kingdom, taking note of the undertakings of the Republic of Cyprus set out in Article I of the present Treaty, recognise and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity, and security of the Republic of Cyprus, and also the state of affairs established by the Basic Articles of its Constitution.

Greece, Turkey, and the United Kingdom likewise undertake to prohibit, so far as concern them, any activity aimed at promoting, directly or indirectly, either union of Cyprus with any other State or partition of the Island.

"guarantee the independence, territorial integrity, and security of the Republic of Cyprus, and also the state of affairs established by the Basic Articles of its Constitution."

just tell me to which year terggy should have taken cyprus to acomplish the above. it really is not rocket science. which year was the constitution as it was meant to be?

but this line

"Greece, Turkey, and the United Kingdom likewise undertake to prohibit, so far as concern them, any activity aimed at promoting, directly or indirectly, either union of Cyprus with any other State or partition of the Island."
who could have forsee that never mind greece braking this one but roc would do it too. bloomin heck i mean you could not make it up. was makarios promoting union of cyprus with another state never ind another guarantor.

you sound like peg leg bates with his peg removed.
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Re: cyprus treaty of guarantee

Postby Maximus » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:45 am

This document is legally invalid...

I don’t understand what your or their problem is exactly.

What is the problem if the majority vote and decide on the future of their country..... :?

You keep rolling around in the muck of a life time ago, while the north has been ethnically cleansed, colonized and is being run by turkey (union with turkey) Today...
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Re: cyprus treaty of guarantee

Postby Kikapu » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:07 am

Lordo, if as you say there was no constitutional order in Cyprus for Turkey to restore in 1974, then why did Turkey come to Cyprus, occupied 1/3 rd of the island, ethnically cleansed and killed thousands and then set up the illegal “trnc”?
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Re: cyprus treaty of guarantee

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:22 am

Lordo wrote:
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Lordo wrote:now that was not the question. the question was not why did only three mps returned and the rest did not return. the question was what did clerides tell them. find that out and you will understand why the rest did not join the parlaiment and neither did the three by the way. tmt did not have the balls to kill an mp. only eoka had that when they killed the tc mp when he was trying to arrange peace between the fighters in baf region. bullshit will not cut it, you have to answer the question not just give an anwere that suits your argument. just in case you have forgotten the question it really is very simple.

what did clerides tell them?
another thing you need to find out is how did they travel to parliament?
when you find this out then you will understand why perhaps the others were not too willing to travel there.

you may have said this that and this that and the other but that does not make it so. to make it so, you have to declare what they should have done to satisfy your understaning of returning to status quo. all you need to say is to what year they should have returned cyprus constitution.

presumable you do not think they should have just turned back and claim mission acomplished as soon as sampson resigned. or do you?

now that would be funny


What did he tell them? According to Clerides book or according to Turkish propaganda?
All I can tell you there's nothing in Clerides book. Now you tell me what's in Turkish propaganda.

What else? Oh, you wanted to learn at what point should the Turks return the constitution back in time.That's a stupid question a)because they did not invade to restore the constitution- they invaded for what I already explained before b) even if hypothetically that is what they should do, it would be meaningless. The constitution was unworkable and un-democratic violating the rights of the majority and over inflating the rights of the minority, plus spreading the seeds of separate states within a state. Thank god over time we changed it a lot to be functional enough to make us in the EU.

Now you tell us what would you do if you were in their position assuming you had genuine intentions for ALL the people of Cyprus. Start from one year after the invasion.

I guess you the benevolent one would impose Clerides -Denktash deal of 1972 right?

you can do better than that. unless of course you consider glafcos clerides the path of country by kizilyurek is terggish propaganda. he reveals all on page 134. infact i met kizilyurek recently. everytime he mentioned and blamed makarios the akel members would start frothing in the mouth. he takes no prisoners and says it how it is no matter who gets upset.

you are still avoiding the question. you claim that terggy invaded but instead of restoring the constitution and integrity of roc she decided to divide the island. the question is very simple. let us assume that terggy suddenly developed concience and asked you to which year would you like me to take you in the cyprus constitution. its really not that hard.

as to constitution was unworkable? you have not got a leg to stand on as the constiution was never implemented never mind allowed to work. as your teacher would say to you, you have work harder. concentrate. constitution would have worked better than you can imagine. why would tcs blow a system thay had more than they should have had according to the population. in any case the real opposition for the constiturion was by gcs as they had no wish for independence, they wanted enosis and would do anything to get it including destroying the country. when it comes to communities with lower number in the uk like welsh the scotts and the northernirish all take more than they deserve becasue it is needed to support themselves and we don't mind becasue it is the civilised thing to do. i mean look after those who need it rather than watch them suffer. have gcs reahed such levels of civilisation?

i already told you what i would do and it would not go back to 1974 or 5 or 6. we have to start from 2014 when we had the high level agreement with political equality. it is the only thing being negotiated and it will be the last. there will not be any more agreements other than bbf or two states. of course there wil lbe some adjustments to how much land will be returned and also number of people allowed toreturn to their original homes. if i had my way i would allow all who wish to return becasue i believe it will not upset the balance to threaten the tcs as most people are setteled where ever they may be in or out of cyprus.


Kizilyurek was not present but I'd be interested to compare his version with that of Turkish propaganda sites. So what did he tell them?
Did the Scottish have a veto over Brexit? Did they vote separately? Do they have any power to impose their will on the majority? Is there anything in the British constitution that they should get double the government jobs than their population?

OK so in your opinion Turkey invaded, with no intention to restore anything, and if it were you, you would wait for 40 years until 2014 for the GCs to accept your terms of surrender. So far they didn't....

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Re: cyprus treaty of guarantee

Postby Lordo » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:56 am

Kikapu wrote:Lordo, if as you say there was no constitutional order in Cyprus for Turkey to restore in 1974, then why did Turkey come to Cyprus, occupied 1/3 rd of the island, ethnically cleansed and killed thousands and then set up the illegal “trnc”?

what nonsense. you are inteligent individual. it was legal to intervene according to the international agreement. even makarios went to the un and ask for intervention.

so lets say they landed and held a beachhead.

sampson resigned.

what should have they done just get back into their boats and return?

surely their objective was to return cyprus back to constitutional order.

if you can tell me which year was cyprus in constitutional order, then we can discuss. at the moment as we speak cyprus is still not got constitutional order has it.
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Re: cyprus treaty of guarantee

Postby Lordo » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:00 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:now that was not the question. the question was not why did only three mps returned and the rest did not return. the question was what did clerides tell them. find that out and you will understand why the rest did not join the parlaiment and neither did the three by the way. tmt did not have the balls to kill an mp. only eoka had that when they killed the tc mp when he was trying to arrange peace between the fighters in baf region. bullshit will not cut it, you have to answer the question not just give an anwere that suits your argument. just in case you have forgotten the question it really is very simple.

what did clerides tell them?
another thing you need to find out is how did they travel to parliament?
when you find this out then you will understand why perhaps the others were not too willing to travel there.

you may have said this that and this that and the other but that does not make it so. to make it so, you have to declare what they should have done to satisfy your understaning of returning to status quo. all you need to say is to what year they should have returned cyprus constitution.

presumable you do not think they should have just turned back and claim mission acomplished as soon as sampson resigned. or do you?

now that would be funny


What did he tell them? According to Clerides book or according to Turkish propaganda?
All I can tell you there's nothing in Clerides book. Now you tell me what's in Turkish propaganda.

What else? Oh, you wanted to learn at what point should the Turks return the constitution back in time.That's a stupid question a)because they did not invade to restore the constitution- they invaded for what I already explained before b) even if hypothetically that is what they should do, it would be meaningless. The constitution was unworkable and un-democratic violating the rights of the majority and over inflating the rights of the minority, plus spreading the seeds of separate states within a state. Thank god over time we changed it a lot to be functional enough to make us in the EU.

Now you tell us what would you do if you were in their position assuming you had genuine intentions for ALL the people of Cyprus. Start from one year after the invasion.

I guess you the benevolent one would impose Clerides -Denktash deal of 1972 right?

you can do better than that. unless of course you consider glafcos clerides the path of country by kizilyurek is terggish propaganda. he reveals all on page 134. infact i met kizilyurek recently. everytime he mentioned and blamed makarios the akel members would start frothing in the mouth. he takes no prisoners and says it how it is no matter who gets upset.

you are still avoiding the question. you claim that terggy invaded but instead of restoring the constitution and integrity of roc she decided to divide the island. the question is very simple. let us assume that terggy suddenly developed concience and asked you to which year would you like me to take you in the cyprus constitution. its really not that hard.

as to constitution was unworkable? you have not got a leg to stand on as the constiution was never implemented never mind allowed to work. as your teacher would say to you, you have work harder. concentrate. constitution would have worked better than you can imagine. why would tcs blow a system thay had more than they should have had according to the population. in any case the real opposition for the constiturion was by gcs as they had no wish for independence, they wanted enosis and would do anything to get it including destroying the country. when it comes to communities with lower number in the uk like welsh the scotts and the northernirish all take more than they deserve becasue it is needed to support themselves and we don't mind becasue it is the civilised thing to do. i mean look after those who need it rather than watch them suffer. have gcs reahed such levels of civilisation?

i already told you what i would do and it would not go back to 1974 or 5 or 6. we have to start from 2014 when we had the high level agreement with political equality. it is the only thing being negotiated and it will be the last. there will not be any more agreements other than bbf or two states. of course there wil lbe some adjustments to how much land will be returned and also number of people allowed toreturn to their original homes. if i had my way i would allow all who wish to return becasue i believe it will not upset the balance to threaten the tcs as most people are setteled where ever they may be in or out of cyprus.


Kizilyurek was not present but I'd be interested to compare his version with that of Turkish propaganda sites. So what did he tell them?
Did the Scottish have a veto over Brexit? Did they vote separately? Do they have any power to impose their will on the majority? Is there anything in the British constitution that they should get double the government jobs than their population?

OK so in your opinion Turkey invaded, with no intention to restore anything, and if it were you, you would wait for 40 years until 2014 for the GCs to accept your terms of surrender. So far they didn't....

Neeext!!

what? what do you mean kizilyurek was not present. i did not say kizilyurek was present. i sais it is in kizilyureks book which is a question and answer between him and clerides. the answer is there.
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Re: cyprus treaty of guarantee

Postby Kikapu » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:05 pm

Lordo wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Lordo, if as you say there was no constitutional order in Cyprus for Turkey to restore in 1974, then why did Turkey come to Cyprus, occupied 1/3 rd of the island, ethnically cleansed and killed thousands and then set up the illegal “trnc”?

what nonsense. you are inteligent individual. it was legal to intervene according to the international agreement. even makarios went to the un and ask for intervention.

so lets say they landed and held a beachhead.

sampson resigned.

what should have they done just get back into their boats and return?

surely their objective was to return cyprus back to constitutional order.

if you can tell me which year was cyprus in constitutional order, then we can discuss. at the moment as we speak cyprus is still not got constitutional order has it.

Lordo, we have passed the “constitutional order” question, because you say there wasn’t one, and if there wasn’t one, then surely Turkey knew this also, so the question still remains, which is, why did Turkey come over to Cyprus? To do what exactly? We know what they did, so it is obvious they came for the reasons in what they did and still doing. Where in the Cyprus Constitution or the ToG gave Turkey the right to do this?
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Re: cyprus treaty of guarantee

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:41 pm

Lordo wrote:what? what do you mean kizilyurek was not present. i did not say kizilyurek was present. i sais it is in kizilyureks book which is a question and answer between him and clerides. the answer is there.


Are you trying to play dumb?
Not been present means he was not a witness. Now will you ever tell us what he says in his book?
I don't have it neither read it.
But I respect the RedHearted guy just like I respect Clerides. I never respected the TsouroPapa Makario.
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Re: cyprus treaty of guarantee

Postby Lordo » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:19 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:what? what do you mean kizilyurek was not present. i did not say kizilyurek was present. i sais it is in kizilyureks book which is a question and answer between him and clerides. the answer is there.


Are you trying to play dumb?
Not been present means he was not a witness. Now will you ever tell us what he says in his book?
I don't have it neither read it.
But I respect the RedHearted guy just like I respect Clerides. I never respected the TsouroPapa Makario.

so what you are telling me is that you have discussed this subject in the past and formed an opinion on the matter without knowing what was said between clerides and the three tc mps.

with the permission of my friend i will scan the page and share it but he has to agree first.

regarding brexit and the scots vetoing it, i wonder if they would like to have had a chance. especially when they voted to remain in the uk because they would not be able to stay in the eu if they voted for independence and yet they got exactly that. are you suggesting that thats a good thing.

if indeed we brexit scotland and northern ireland will break off from uk.................eventually.
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Re: cyprus treaty of guarantee

Postby Lordo » Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:28 am

here are the pages 134 and 135 refering to tc mps not allowed to return and why. also very interesting that the mps did not need an escort to visit to see clerides apparently, it was safe to move around. or at least so he thought.
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