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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:15 pm

Paphitis wrote:Geez, you have been captured, you have been jugulated, you have been reprogrammed, by your sheeple friends, and you have been turned into a Remainer! :shock:
Flip flops flip flops. Friggin hell, this is like a virus! :lol:


What do you mean???
I always supported the opinion that Leaving would be harmful to them.
I am an independent CYPRIOT not British, I don't read British newspapers, don't even know their political parties, and I have nothing to lose if they leave.
I think you just had a need to let out an overflow of Australian jargon
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby miltiades » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:32 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Here's the actual voting slip.
It was not addressed to sheep, it was not addressed to Martians. It was addressed to British people who by 90% KNEW that if they vote leave their Govnt should within 2 years agree the terms with the EU. Now be honest and admit that the vast majority of those who voted to leave, also expected to leave with a deal.

If that's questionable, then the referendum was not clear regarding the "Leave" part, and should be done again.

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Geez, you have been captured, you have been jugulated, you have been reprogrammed, by your sheeple friends, and you have been turned into a Remainer! :shock:

Flip flops flip flops. Friggin hell, this is like a virus! :lol:


Why dont you just shut your big stupid mouth, Britain ain't your country stay out of it, go fuck a kangaroo you fucking idiot.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Paphitis » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:33 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Geez, you have been captured, you have been jugulated, you have been reprogrammed, by your sheeple friends, and you have been turned into a Remainer! :shock:
Flip flops flip flops. Friggin hell, this is like a virus! :lol:


What do you mean???
I always supported the opinion that Leaving would be harmful to them.
I am an independent CYPRIOT not British, I don't read British newspapers, don't even know their political parties, and I have nothing to lose if they leave.
I think you just had a need to let out an overflow of Australian jargon


Staying would be harmful to them.

Look at what happened to you!

No it has nothing to do with Australian Jargon. This is a British Issue.

But as an Australian, we can see the issues from the outside. I don't think the EU is anything an Aussie or American would go for in a million years. There is no way Australia would outsource so much power to foreigners.

It was a joke because you said you would celebrate a BREXIT and now you have changed your mind.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Lordo » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:43 pm

this is one of the fallacies propegated by brexshitters.

they claim we can have a better deal outside then we had in the eu.

just how wrong is that.

under eu we hade no tax to pay at all. it did not stop us trading under wto rules with countries outside the eu, so we were free to trade with who ever we pleased so long as followed wto schedules eu had negotiated.

that we would be able to arrange better deals by ourselves under wto is total and utter bullshit. eu with 600 million people had huge clout to agree on deals we could only dream of. the idea that with 60 million market we would be able to negotiuate a better deal is as correct as their claim that
we would have a better deal with the eu outside than in
when we vote for brexit we would have all the cards and a very strong negotiating position.

unfrotunatly the mushrrom still need their bullshit in order to grow.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Paphitis » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:47 pm

Lordo wrote:this is one of the fallacies propegated by brexshitters.

they claim we can have a better deal outside then we had in the eu.

just how wrong is that.

under eu we hade no tax to pay at all. it did not stop us trading under wto rules with countries outside the eu, so we were free to trade with who ever we pleased so long as followed wto schedules eu had negotiated.

that we would be able to arrange better deals by ourselves under wto is total and utter bullshit. eu with 600 million people had huge clout to agree on deals we could only dream of. the idea that with 60 million market we would be able to negotiuate a better deal is as correct as their claim that
we would have a better deal with the eu outside than in
when we vote for brexit we would have all the cards and a very strong negotiating position.

unfrotunatly the mushrrom still need their bullshit in order to grow.


Shit yeh! That's correct.

The countries which have the best deal are Norway and Canada!

They have Free Trade, and don't need to suffer the indignity of the ECB and Fascist EU Parliament.

The Brits will be in control of their currency, their law making, their sovereignty, borders and immigration.

Sounds pretty dam good to me... 8)
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:06 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Sure but did the people who voted "leave" expected it to be a)with no deal b)an average deal or c)a bad deal?
There's no way to learn that because the referendum left much of the "leave" content vague and dependent on expectation.
Therefore the referendum itself should be declared null and void, and re conducted.


There were many debates and during those debates it was clearly explained that leave meant Britain will leave the common market.

In other words, the default position was WTO. The WTO is actually a very valid way of conducting trade. It allows most countries to have Free Trade. For example, Australia has Free Trade with the EU under Article 24 as it is currently negotiating a permanent deal with the EU now.

This no deal kerfuffle is just a fear mongering campaign.


There was no default option by the Government itself. In fact ALL possible options were on the table as described here.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... pean-union


This paper looks at a number of possible alternatives for the UK’s relationship with the EU, if there were to be a vote to leave. It provides examples of countries that are not members of the EU but have other arrangements with it, specifically Norway, Switzerland, Canada and Turkey. It also looks at a possible relationship based only on World Trade Organisation membership. It sets out the main features and implications of each of the key existing models for the relationship, and assesses their suitability for the UK.


Therefore while the Remain question was clear of what would happen, the Leave question left much to the individuals' expectation.
You can't convince anyone that 100% of those who voted to Leave expected it to be on WTO rules. Therefore the referendum cheated on at least a portion of the population.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Lordo » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:10 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Sure but did the people who voted "leave" expected it to be a)with no deal b)an average deal or c)a bad deal?
There's no way to learn that because the referendum left much of the "leave" content vague and dependent on expectation.
Therefore the referendum itself should be declared null and void, and re conducted.


There were many debates and during those debates it was clearly explained that leave meant Britain will leave the common market.

In other words, the default position was WTO. The WTO is actually a very valid way of conducting trade. It allows most countries to have Free Trade. For example, Australia has Free Trade with the EU under Article 24 as it is currently negotiating a permanent deal with the EU now.

This no deal kerfuffle is just a fear mongering campaign.


There was no default option by the Government itself. In fact ALL possible options were on the table as described here.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... pean-union


This paper looks at a number of possible alternatives for the UK’s relationship with the EU, if there were to be a vote to leave. It provides examples of countries that are not members of the EU but have other arrangements with it, specifically Norway, Switzerland, Canada and Turkey. It also looks at a possible relationship based only on World Trade Organisation membership. It sets out the main features and implications of each of the key existing models for the relationship, and assesses their suitability for the UK.


Therefore while the Remain question was clear of what would happen, the Leave question left much to the individuals' expectation.
You can't convince anyone that 100% of those who voted to Leave expected it to be on WTO rules. Therefore the referendum cheated on at least a portion of the population.

99% of labour voters would not have voted to leave on wto and certainly at least a third of the tories voted to remain sothey could not have voted for no-deal and even those who did vote leave, they did not all vote for leave on wto rules. either way the brexshitters have not got a leg to stand on.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Paphitis » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:13 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Sure but did the people who voted "leave" expected it to be a)with no deal b)an average deal or c)a bad deal?
There's no way to learn that because the referendum left much of the "leave" content vague and dependent on expectation.
Therefore the referendum itself should be declared null and void, and re conducted.


There were many debates and during those debates it was clearly explained that leave meant Britain will leave the common market.

In other words, the default position was WTO. The WTO is actually a very valid way of conducting trade. It allows most countries to have Free Trade. For example, Australia has Free Trade with the EU under Article 24 as it is currently negotiating a permanent deal with the EU now.

This no deal kerfuffle is just a fear mongering campaign.


There was no default option by the Government itself. In fact ALL possible options were on the table as described here.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... pean-union


This paper looks at a number of possible alternatives for the UK’s relationship with the EU, if there were to be a vote to leave. It provides examples of countries that are not members of the EU but have other arrangements with it, specifically Norway, Switzerland, Canada and Turkey. It also looks at a possible relationship based only on World Trade Organisation membership. It sets out the main features and implications of each of the key existing models for the relationship, and assesses their suitability for the UK.


Therefore while the Remain question was clear of what would happen, the Leave question left much to the individuals' expectation.
You can't convince anyone that 100% of those who voted to Leave expected it to be on WTO rules. Therefore the referendum cheated on at least a portion of the population.


Pyro,

the question was self explanatory.

Leave means leave. It doesn't mean leave only with a deal. It just means leave.

You would have to be an idiot to not understand that.

And that is what the remoaners are saying. They are calling 17.4 million people idiots!

I like to think of myself as a fairly well educated person and the question seems very clear to me.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Paphitis » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:15 pm

Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Sure but did the people who voted "leave" expected it to be a)with no deal b)an average deal or c)a bad deal?
There's no way to learn that because the referendum left much of the "leave" content vague and dependent on expectation.
Therefore the referendum itself should be declared null and void, and re conducted.


There were many debates and during those debates it was clearly explained that leave meant Britain will leave the common market.

In other words, the default position was WTO. The WTO is actually a very valid way of conducting trade. It allows most countries to have Free Trade. For example, Australia has Free Trade with the EU under Article 24 as it is currently negotiating a permanent deal with the EU now.

This no deal kerfuffle is just a fear mongering campaign.


There was no default option by the Government itself. In fact ALL possible options were on the table as described here.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... pean-union


This paper looks at a number of possible alternatives for the UK’s relationship with the EU, if there were to be a vote to leave. It provides examples of countries that are not members of the EU but have other arrangements with it, specifically Norway, Switzerland, Canada and Turkey. It also looks at a possible relationship based only on World Trade Organisation membership. It sets out the main features and implications of each of the key existing models for the relationship, and assesses their suitability for the UK.


Therefore while the Remain question was clear of what would happen, the Leave question left much to the individuals' expectation.
You can't convince anyone that 100% of those who voted to Leave expected it to be on WTO rules. Therefore the referendum cheated on at least a portion of the population.

99% of labour voters would not have voted to leave on wto and certainly at least a third of the tories voted to remain sothey could not have voted for no-deal and even those who did vote leave, they did not all vote for leave on wto rules. either way the brexshitters have not got a leg to stand on.


Dream on! The way you guys are groaning and moaning, there will be more people vite for BREXIT.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Lordo » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:22 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Sure but did the people who voted "leave" expected it to be a)with no deal b)an average deal or c)a bad deal?
There's no way to learn that because the referendum left much of the "leave" content vague and dependent on expectation.
Therefore the referendum itself should be declared null and void, and re conducted.


There were many debates and during those debates it was clearly explained that leave meant Britain will leave the common market.

In other words, the default position was WTO. The WTO is actually a very valid way of conducting trade. It allows most countries to have Free Trade. For example, Australia has Free Trade with the EU under Article 24 as it is currently negotiating a permanent deal with the EU now.

This no deal kerfuffle is just a fear mongering campaign.


There was no default option by the Government itself. In fact ALL possible options were on the table as described here.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... pean-union


This paper looks at a number of possible alternatives for the UK’s relationship with the EU, if there were to be a vote to leave. It provides examples of countries that are not members of the EU but have other arrangements with it, specifically Norway, Switzerland, Canada and Turkey. It also looks at a possible relationship based only on World Trade Organisation membership. It sets out the main features and implications of each of the key existing models for the relationship, and assesses their suitability for the UK.


Therefore while the Remain question was clear of what would happen, the Leave question left much to the individuals' expectation.
You can't convince anyone that 100% of those who voted to Leave expected it to be on WTO rules. Therefore the referendum cheated on at least a portion of the population.


Pyro,

the question was self explanatory.

Leave means leave. It doesn't mean leave only with a deal. It just means leave.

You would have to be an idiot to not understand that.

And that is what the remoaners are saying. They are calling 17.4 million people idiots!

I like to think of myself as a fairly well educated person and the question seems very clear to me.

you clearly are out of your depth here. nobody said leave is leave till 2017 electionand tories lost their majority when they suggested it.

in fact every time the remainers suggested that we might be worse off all the brexiters accused the person of project fear. even to thsi day they doit.

labour was clearly proposing to leave and stay in the customes union with fta
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