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[erolz66]

The only guaranteed way to get an extension is to knife Boris, and that will only be a very brief stay on the EU's execution date.

If he keeps going he may even reach Teresa May's rating at the same point in her Premiership on if the public think they are 'a capable leader'

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 50026.html

Boris Johnson has lower prime ministerial ratings than Theresa May enjoyed during most of her time as Tory leader, an exclusive Ipsos MORI poll reveals today.Just 36 per cent of the general public think Mr Johnson is “a capable leader”, compared with 68 per cent who felt the same about Mrs May at her first party conference in September 2016.Even in April 2018, when Mrs May had lost her Commons majority in a catastrophic general election and was facing growing discontent, she scored better than her successor, at 46 per cent.

The Johnson government has fallen to some of the lowest satisfaction scores on record. Just 14 per cent are satisfied with it, down from 18 in July, while 81 per cent are dissatisfied, up six points.

[Pyrpolizer]

What tis looks like to me is that the remoaners are running around like headless chickens!

The best they can hope for is to potentially knife Boris and get Corbyn to be PM in which case BREXIT will only be delayed TEMPORARILY until the people return Boris which is inevitable.

that is the dilemma the remoaners have. they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they knife Boris, his popularity will only just improve some more.

I think Boris would be crazy to ask for an extension. I do not believe he will do that but it is possible that he sent the courts a letter saying that he will and then reveal they found a legal loophole (which doesn't need to be legit) not to do so right at the eleventh hour when it is all too late.

The only guaranteed way to get an extension is to knife Boris, and that will only be a very brief stay on the EU's execution date.

it's not a matter of who will get elected.It's a matter of who will bring a deal to the parliament that would be approved.
If it proves that is impossible then the only way out is a new referendum between a)Clean break b)Remain.
I am not the only one who says so...

[Paphitis]

I don't think you understand.
I don't want a deal. My first choice is a clean break and that is where I think its heading.

It remains to be seen whether Bojo ever makes it.
The hard brexiters fanfare about Bojo's proposal been "a winner" makes perfect sense.
Αλλου γενναν οι κοτες... (the hens lay elsewhere)

The way I see it is they think it's a winner because it's going to get rejected.

I think the Tories and Boris main game here is a CLEAN BREAK BREXIT.

I don't think the Brits actually think its possible to get a deal with the EU as their bargaining hand right now is a weak one, but after a clean break brexit their bargaining power becomes much stronger.

I think its a winner because they believe they are leaving the EU with a clean break.

[Paphitis]

What tis looks like to me is that the remoaners are running around like headless chickens!

The best they can hope for is to potentially knife Boris and get Corbyn to be PM in which case BREXIT will only be delayed TEMPORARILY until the people return Boris which is inevitable.

that is the dilemma the remoaners have. they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they knife Boris, his popularity will only just improve some more.

I think Boris would be crazy to ask for an extension. I do not believe he will do that but it is possible that he sent the courts a letter saying that he will and then reveal they found a legal loophole (which doesn't need to be legit) not to do so right at the eleventh hour when it is all too late.

The only guaranteed way to get an extension is to knife Boris, and that will only be a very brief stay on the EU's execution date.

it's not a matter of who will get elected.It's a matter of who will bring a deal to the parliament that would be approved.
If it proves that is impossible then the only way out is a new referendum between a)Clean break b)Remain.
I am not the only one who says so...

I don't believe they are interested in bringing a deal to Parlament before the 31st of October or the 31st of January.

They will not be having a referendum either. The referendum has already occurred and the people were promised that the outcome of the referendum would be honoured by parliament.

If things were that simple, Parliament would have repealed Article 50. They have the votes to do that, but they are running scared and know they are gonnas. The swamp will be drained.

Yes it does matter who will win the election and who will hold a majority Government. The way things are going, Boris has an excellent chance of having a majority Government after the next elections in which case he can do whatever he wants. If he doesn't hold majority power, then he will horse trade with The Brexit Party to get the majority votes needed. The Brexit party could end up with 50 to 100 seats.

[Pyrpolizer]

I don't think you understand.
I don't want a deal. My first choice is a clean break and that is where I think its heading.

It remains to be seen whether Bojo ever makes it.
The hard brexiters fanfare about Bojo's proposal been "a winner" makes perfect sense.
Αλλου γενναν οι κοτες... (the hens lay elsewhere)

The way I see it is they think it's a winner because it's going to get rejected.

I think the Tories and Boris main game here is a CLEAN BREAK BREXIT.

I don't think the Brits actually think its possible to get a deal with the EU as their bargaining hand right now is a weak one, but after a clean break brexit they bargaining power because much stronger.

I think its a winner because they believe they are leaving the EU with a clean break.

Aha! I agree as to why they think it's a winner.

[Paphitis]

I don't think you understand.
I don't want a deal. My first choice is a clean break and that is where I think its heading.

It remains to be seen whether Bojo ever makes it.
The hard brexiters fanfare about Bojo's proposal been "a winner" makes perfect sense.
Αλλου γενναν οι κοτες... (the hens lay elsewhere)

The way I see it is they think it's a winner because it's going to get rejected.

I think the Tories and Boris main game here is a CLEAN BREAK BREXIT.

I don't think the Brits actually think its possible to get a deal with the EU as their bargaining hand right now is a weak one, but after a clean break brexit they bargaining power because much stronger.

I think its a winner because they believe they are leaving the EU with a clean break.

Aha! I agree as to why they think it's a winner.

I'm glad you can see it too.

But you didn't indicate that you can see this particular point of view.

I personally think everything is going Boris' way.

[Pyrpolizer]

Which particular point of view?
I don't agree that's the only possible way things may evolve.
Unless Bojo's proposal is an ultimatum, there are various things the EU+Ireland would propose to make it acceptable.
E.g. If at the end of the transition period the borders procedure is ineffective then NI would have the right to a referendum on whether it should still be part of the UK or join the Republic of Ireland.

[Paphitis]

Which particular point of view?
I don't agree that's the only possible way things may evolve.
Unless Bojo's proposal is an ultimatum, there are various things the EU+Ireland would propose to make it acceptable.
E.g. If at the end of the transition period the borders procedure is ineffective then NI would have the right to a referendum on whether it should still be part of the UK or join the Republic of Ireland.

I never said that is the only possible outcome. These are uncharted waters.

But the only possible way to guarantee an extension is to knife Boris, and that means an unprecedented electoral backlash in Boris' favour.

But I do not believe Boris is going to ask for an extension this month. If he does, the Tories are finished and The BREXIT Party will win and Nigel Farage is the next PM of the UK.

I do not believe BREXIT can be stopped. All the Brits I spoke to seem to have a deep seated hatred for the EU now. Not for Europe but certainly a lot of hate for the EU. The EU has been hellbent on ridiculing Britain and the Brits won't ever forget that.

[Paphitis]

The other possible scenario is Hungary might veto Britain.

Hungary has already warned the EU to stop playing games with Britain and to negotiate properly. In other words, Hungary appears to be on Britain's side.

So why is Hungary doing this? Well they have a right wing nationalist Government and they may be looking at leaving the EU as well.

So it could be that Britain and Hungary have reached an agrrement for Hungary to exercise the veto option if an extension is requested.

Apparently the EU are already scared that Hungary is going to veto ANY extension.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... exit-delay

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rexit.html

[cyprusgrump]

The other possible scenario is Hungary might veto Britain.

Hungary has already warned the EU to stop playing games with Britain and to negotiate properly. In other words, Hungary appears to be on Britain's side.

So why is Hungary doing this? Well they have a right wing nationalist Government and they may be looking at leaving the EU as well.

So it could be that Britain and Hungary have reached an agrrement for Hungary to exercise the veto option if an extension is requested.

Apparently the EU are already scared that Hungary is going to veto ANY extension.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... exit-delay

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rexit.html

That would be a cunning plan!

Boris obays the law as he has said, sends the damn letter as the law requires and Hungary (no fan of the EU at the moment) vetoes...