Cyprus-Forum.com

[MR-from-NG]

That's exactly what I was told by an undesirable mainland Turk. I was eating at a soup restaurant in Kyrenia last week and the waiter was a Nigerian student. He asked about my origin and I explained I was a Turkish speaking Cypriot. He explained he had been in Cyprus for just over a year and I was the 2nd TC he had met.

I enlightened him a bit about our history and added that we were a minority when the island was united and we are now again a minority with the arrival of mainland Turks. He asked if I would consider repatriating and I told him not unless the mainland undesirables were removed and a lasting and peaceful resolution was reached.

All this conversation was overheard by the chap sitting behind me who turned out to be a mainland Turk. He obviously understood most of what was discussed and joined the conversation in a civil manner. He wasn't upset about my remarks and wasn't aggressive. He did however, make it quite clear that north Cyprus was now considered to be a part of Turkey and the TC's will in time seize to exist and if I thought after the bloodshed Turkey gave for this cause the TC's will be left alone to re-unite with GC's we were very much mistaken.

I know you will look at my thread title and say north doesn't belong to TC's but there may be a day you may wish that was the case instead of mainland Turks claiming it. I personally think it would serve the GC's well to get on as well as they can with TC's. Stop attacking them at every opportunity when they visit the RoC. Stop attacking and damaging cars and busses at every opportunity. Stop showing so much hatred towards your distant cousins.

You have only one chance of saving the island and that is with the support and co-operation of the TC's.

[miltiades]

I have long been an advocate of all Cypriots
embracing their one and only one true motherland , none other than Cyprus. Those Cypriots who share my views feel exactly the same way. There are many.

[Maximus]

Thats a very thought provoking post Mr-NG.

On many levels and I agree with the most part of it.

However, here is my useless two cents of an opinion.

it is all in your communities hands

but you choose to put all the responsibility on the GC's. While your leadership continues to negotiate in favor of Turkey and keeps proposing unacceptable "solutions" to this problem.

The latest thing they are happy to give away to Turkey is the EEZ. Your leaderships "solution" to the problem is to give control of all of Cyprus to Turkey.....

Continue like this or do nothing, and the TC will cease to exist. Just like that Turk said.

Like it all hinges on some vandalized cars. Get real!

[MR-from-NG]

Thats a very thought provoking post Mr-NG.

On many levels and I agree with the most part of it.

However, here is my useless two cents of an opinion.

it is all in your communities hands

but you choose to put all the responsibility on the GC's. While your leadership continues to negotiate in favor of Turkey and keeps proposing unacceptable "solutions" to this problem.

The latest thing they are happy to give away to Turkey is the EEZ. Your leaderships "solution" to the problem is to give control of all of Cyprus to Turkey.....

Continue like this or do nothing, and the TC will cease to exist. Just like that Turk said.

Like it all hinges on some vandalized cars. Get real!

Max, our "politicians", if you can call them that aren't fit purpose. As you well know Erdogan would say jump and they'd ask how high? As for the general public, they're not exactly in a position to gather in their thousands on the streets demanding reunification. If they did that mainland Turks would attack and beat the shit out of them.

The only way I can see reunification is if by some miracle the TC's were offered a referendum by Erdogan. This is where my GC cousins have to start facing realities. Lets for just one second assume the extreme TC haters have so far beat up, insulted, vandalised cars of 500 TC's. Now, you continue with these attacks and 5 years later the numbers of attacked TC's reach their thousands. We are then offered this referendum, how do think the vote will go if the attacks and hatred is
continued?

I'm not asking GC's to embrace the TC's and declare their love for them. All I'm suggesting is to stop the aggression. Stop giving reasons for TC's to depend and keep loyal to Turkey. This isn't really that difficult achieve is it? You claim to be a civilised European nation, behave as such and accept the fact that the TC's are part of the DNA make up of the island.

[Sotos]

So TCs collaborate with a Turkey to keep under occupation the north part of Cyprus, but the "aggression" is some scratches in cars? (a tiny number compared to the numbers of cars that cross). If there was a major issue TCs would simply not cross. You are exaggerating.

North Cyprus does not belong to TCs. The north part of Cyprus belongs to RoC (all Cypriots), and it is illegally occupied by Turkey. TCs neither own, nor they have the power to illegally occupy north Cyprus. They only serve as a cheap excuse for Turkey's occupation.

Our side has made huge compromises, but your leadership keeps asking for more, making an agreement impossible since a "solution" with such terms would actually be a bigger problem for us. You could have your own federal state, in an EU country, with great internal autonomy and proportional representation in the central government, and agree with us that most Settlers should leave, but instead of that you play Turkey's game, demanding that all Settlers should stay, gifting to Turkey our EEZ, and making unreasonable demands when it comes to power sharing. And this will result in TCs becoming a tiny minority among Turks with no powers whatsoever, and eventually they will cease to exist.

[Maximus]

So TCs collaborate with a Turkey to keep under occupation the north part of Cyprus, but the "aggression" is some scratches in cars? (a tiny number compared to the numbers of cars that cross). If there was a major issue TCs would simply not cross. You are exaggerating.

North Cyprus does not belong to TCs. The north part of Cyprus belongs to RoC (all Cypriots), and it is illegally occupied by Turkey. TCs neither own, nor they have the power to illegally occupy north Cyprus. They only serve as a cheap excuse for Turkey's occupation.

Our side has made huge compromises, but your leadership keeps asking for more, making an agreement impossible since a "solution" with such terms would actually be a bigger problem for us. You could have your own federal state, in an EU country, with great internal autonomy and proportional representation in the central government, and agree with us that most Settlers should leave, but instead of that you play Turkey's game, demanding that all Settlers should stay, gifting to Turkey our EEZ, and making unreasonable demands when it comes to power sharing. And this will result in TCs becoming a tiny minority among Turks with no powers whatsoever, and eventually they will cease to exist.

They have been lead too far down the garden path and they have fcked themselves up Sotos.

Some TC still believe in their own BS and Turkish propaganda but others like Mr-NG have started to see it for what it is.

Their leadership are just Turkish puppets that do as they are told or else.

Unfortunately, for Cyprus as a whole, what they stand for doesn't benefit anyone but Turkey.

Without making excuses for them, they should be behind bars and the TC have to find a way to reverse the occupation and the colonial structures they believe should exist.

Otherwise, yes, they will probably vanish from Cyprus in a few generations.

[Lordo]

let me put my two pennies worth in this. i am afraid i do not buy the idea that mainlanders are in a majority in cyprus and they certainly do not all believe that trnc belongs to terggy. sure there are the elam lookalikes on our side that believe not only trnc belongs to terggy but the whole of cyprus does too.

so in reality trnc is a proper functioning democracy. we have the fascists who are tc as well as terggish settlers who believe trnc belongs to terggy and we have both tcs and setlers who have been in cyprus for 3 generations and are more cypriot than the assholes here who claim to be truly cypriot when they are members of elam. there is a contridiction if ever. population in trnc represent every political colour on earth.

this is clearly obvious for anybody who wants to see it. just have a look at akinci's election with 60% of the vote and still have 60% support now. if the settlers who have been in cyprus for generations are not backing him how the hell could he be elected.

and yet here we are assholing gcs who claim that settlers all speak with one voice and are here to speak for erdogan. i mean netx thing you are going to tell me is that mik is black. of course it will be black if you feed the sheep with coal.

it is time to wake up.

[Maximus]

Of course the settlers are a majority in the north., they outnumber the tc like four to one. Obviously not in Cyprus as a whole though.

And it Doesn’t matter who is backing akingi, with 60% from the north. This only suggeest that He was better than the alternatives at the time but his position on the Cyprus issue is the same dog shit as everyone else’s before him.

What is your point?

The point here is that the tc don’t own the ”trnc” neither does turkey or the settlers.

The settlers are the majority in the north but they shouldn’t be in Cyprus, at the expense of Cypriots at all.

It’s all a farce, an illegal and artificially constructed pseudo state in the RoC with majority Turkish citizens.

[repulsewarrior]

...well said Lordo. We, as a Cypriot People cannot continue to confuse ourselves with an argument/debate that pits us against each other, as "Greeks" and "Turks". "Being" Cypriot has nothing to do with "Greekness" or "Turkishness". Actually, Cypriots have demonstrated this at the polls again and again. That too is something too often that is ignored.

...let's look at each other as Individuals first; Teachers, Lawyers, Housewives, Workers, ordinary people from all walks of life, and all ages: as one.

...and if we look at each other as Persons; Gay, Religious, Female, Greek, Turk, let us remember that our own Liberty depends on the Trust and Respect we have toward each other. Indeed, it is a question of "belonging"; Cyprus "belongs" to Cypriots, not "Greeks'', not "Turks".

...and, i would like to suggest that what happens in Cyprus will decide what happens in Turkey, being "their" National cause. Cypriots are not weak, they have after decades demonstrated an equal strength to Turkey. Turkish Cypriots have a great deal of power too. They have not yet found the right motive to resist the Imperialism of "Turkishness" over their lives; it is the hand that feeds them. They do not realise yet to who, and how, they could represent, as Turks, not "Turkish", Hope. If there is one Cyprus, there is one Turkey. If "Turkishness" wins in Cyprus, "Turkishness" will tear at Turkey even more. This is becoming clearer with every attempt by Erdogan to move this Agenda ahead, (and with no resistance). It is, in Cyprus, every drop of water, and every watt of electricity, it is their very Sovereignty, that is under "Turkey's" complete control, he may even lead them to war, that they may die as "Turks" that the so-called ''TRNC'' may exist, but not for Cypriots.

I would suggest that actions have equal and opposite reactions, and at some point for Cypriots, there will be nothing left to lose. They may overcome the fears they have within themselves to truly unite against the misery of living a perpetual proxy war based on a mythical reality where neither wins.

A great deal of regional politics is riding on Cypriots demonstrating toward each other good intentions.

[Sotos]

let me put my two pennies worth in this. i am afraid i do not buy the idea that mainlanders are in a majority in cyprus and they certainly do not all believe that trnc belongs to terggy. sure there are the elam lookalikes on our side that believe not only trnc belongs to terggy but the whole of cyprus does too.

so in reality trnc is a proper functioning democracy. we have the fascists who are tc as well as terggish settlers who believe trnc belongs to terggy and we have both tcs and setlers who have been in cyprus for 3 generations and are more cypriot than the assholes here who claim to be truly cypriot when they are members of elam. there is a contridiction if ever. population in trnc represent every political colour on earth.

this is clearly obvious for anybody who wants to see it. just have a look at akinci's election with 60% of the vote and still have 60% support now. if the settlers who have been in cyprus for generations are not backing him how the hell could he be elected.

and yet here we are assholing gcs who claim that settlers all speak with one voice and are here to speak for erdogan. i mean netx thing you are going to tell me is that mik is black. of course it will be black if you feed the sheep with coal.

it is time to wake up.

It doesn't matter if the Settlers are already the majority or not. What is certain is that the majority of native people have been ethnically cleansed from the north part of Cyprus and those people have no say in "trnc", nor they want a "trnc", therefore somebody who claims that "trnc is a democracy" is somebody who doesn't know what democracy means. The TCs and Settlers can elect somebody to represent them as a group, but they can not elect somebody to represent "North Cyprus", as that territory doesn't belong to them.

And why wouldn't Settlers vote for Akinci? The Settlers have an additional reason to vote for Akinci, since apart from everything else that the TCs would gain with the "solution" that Akinci wants, the Settlers would also gain EU citizenship. Akinci does not support anything that hurts the interests of Settlers.

I agree with you that not all TCs and not all Settlers are exactly the same. Some might prefer one thing, some might prefer something else. However the vast majority of TCs/Settlers support partition and the only difference is the version of partition that they support. Only a tiny minority of TCs support a true unification of Cyprus, and this tiny minority does not include Akinci.