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[MR-from-NG]

I'd like to add that a couple of novice detectives from any developed nation would have solved this crime before it reached the awful number of 7. The Cypriot police would've/could've also achieved this had the victims not been foreigners.

I think the current 'Israeli' rape case is on much the same lines? That really does stink of high level manoeuvrings!

BBC covered the story from the start. Te last coverage was the Israeli boys receiving a hero welcome in TelAviv. I turned and said to my wife, this is either a stitch-up or total incompetence of the Cypriot legal system. RH, it's not as if I'm not familiar with Cypriot traditions, I know them bloody well, on both sides of the border.

[Paphitis]

I'd like to add that a couple of novice detectives from any developed nation would have solved this crime before it reached the awful number of 7. The Cypriot police would've/could've also achieved this had the victims not been foreigners.

I think the current 'Israeli' rape case is on much the same lines? That really does stink of high level manoeuvrings!

That isn't true!

I had dealings very recently with the Australian Fraud Squad and they were not novice detectives. I even ended up under investigation because a complaint was made against my good self. But that ended very quickly as the claims were fabricated.

They did not solve a thing and I had a very tight case. Financial crimes are actually the most difficult crimes because these crimes are organized and it is very difficult to prove intent when things go pear shaped. In the end I was very lucky in that my case was still civil.

So I am seeking redress through the Federal Court quite successfully, and then some.

I insist, the OP needs to contact CYPOL regardless of whether his is civil or criminal. And it may not be criminal so he also needs to see a lawyer. 100% of people with that amount of money a stake must have a lawyer.

Otherwise, forget it all together.

[Paphitis]

In addition I would also like to point out that the younger generations of Cypriots, most educated abroad, are very professional.

Mr and RH seem to think Cyprus hasn't evolved and because MR is a gypsy and a peasant himself he seems to think all Cypriots are like him.

MR, you are a dinosaur. You have no clue about Cypriots at all.

RH, you have moved into a country with a police force you have little faith in. Why did you do that? Seems quite strange to move to a country and then criticize its institutions. What gives?

I mean seriously, if I decided to move to the USA, I will be right behind their institutions and practices otherwise I wouldn't go if I didn't think they had law and order, reasonable education and health system.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

That isn't true!

I had dealings very recently with the Australian Fraud Squad and they were not novice detectives. I even ended up under investigation because a complaint was made against my good self. But that ended very quickly as the claims were fabricated.

We are talking about Cyprus ..... not Australia! The CID 'detective' I had was incompetent and lacked the single most important quality of a detective and that is to listen and gather the facts and ask appropriate questions. He did just what you did ....... after five minutes, between checking his PC and his mobile, answering his phone and sending text messages ......... he knew it all and was solving the case. I tried to point out that he had the wrong end of the stick but he didn't listen. He then declared an obvious and provable beyond all reasonable doubt, Fraud on the Court a civil matter and nothing to do with the police....... he was then proved to be wrong.

I got me a smart lawyer who advised me but I did most of the leg work, he made a few phone calls. My request for police action and their failure to carry out an investigation is currently with the Chief of Police, having gone right through the system from the front desk to the Bosses Office!

Unfortunately this all takes time. Like you I now have to wait for the system to grind into action!

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

RH, you have moved into a country with a police force you have little faith in. Why did you do that? Seems quite strange to move to a country and then criticize its institutions. What gives?

I have never had dealings with the police except when I was arrested in Bilbao as a suspected terrorist, but they looked pretty stupid when a senior officer with some intelligence arrived and quickly apologised; I was apprehended by Immigration in Saudi for having ‘offensive pictures’! A CTA poster of an Orthodox priest painting an icon and they also got a good bollocking when the Officer arrived .... who spoke perfect English, apologised and told the arsehole to carry my bags to the Taxi Rank! Apart from that I don’t even have a parking ticket or a speeding ticket to my name.

As I was in a supposedly civilised country that declared it followed the ‘UK system’ for just about everything and me having experience of tough and uncompromising security/police regimes in Iran, Algeria, Thailand and Saudi, why should I have had any reason to think the very polite traffic police in Cyprus needed investigation by me?

I mean seriously, if I decided to move to the USA, I will be right behind their institutions and practices otherwise I wouldn't go if I didn't think they had law and order, reasonable education and health system.

Of course you would! Until reality kicks in! Just like it did with me in Cyprus, then your faith in what you thought was a professional system, just like at home, turns out to be very different!


PS - Health System: I need a cataract operation, in fact two, starting in February. The first visit to the Ophthalmologist last week cost Eu6; next one in Jan is free; the operation and the dressing change the next day..... another Eu6. Then a new referral for the second one a couple of months later from my doctor, valid 12 months and 12 visits ...... free! Same procedure with the Ophthalmologists I have used for 20 years, over Eu2000 per eye plus other charges unspecified.

[MR-from-NG]

In addition I would also like to point out that the younger generations of Cypriots, most educated abroad, are very professional.

Mr and RH seem to think Cyprus hasn't evolved and because MR is a gypsy and a peasant himself he seems to think all Cypriots are like him.

MR, you are a dinosaur. You have no clue about Cypriots at all.

RH, you have moved into a country with a police force you have little faith in. Why did you do that? Seems quite strange to move to a country and then criticize its institutions. What gives?

I mean seriously, if I decided to move to the USA, I will be right behind their institutions and practices otherwise I wouldn't go if I didn't think they had law and order, reasonable education and health system.

Typical, slightest criticism of the RoC and you get bombarded with insults. Listen Walter Mitty. Do you honestly believe you have any credibility here? Between pushing your trolly along the aisle of your plane and posting on the forum you wouldn't have time to learn anything about anywhere. You are a fantasist piece of shit.

Idiot, you are no less than 8000 miles away from Cyprus. You hardly go the there. RH lives there and I frequently travel there. How on earth do you try and sell yourself as an authority on the affairs of Cyprus? Get a life Walter and stop making a fool of yourself. Kangaroo shagging cunt.

[Paphitis]

In addition I would also like to point out that the younger generations of Cypriots, most educated abroad, are very professional.

Mr and RH seem to think Cyprus hasn't evolved and because MR is a gypsy and a peasant himself he seems to think all Cypriots are like him.

MR, you are a dinosaur. You have no clue about Cypriots at all.

RH, you have moved into a country with a police force you have little faith in. Why did you do that? Seems quite strange to move to a country and then criticize its institutions. What gives?

I mean seriously, if I decided to move to the USA, I will be right behind their institutions and practices otherwise I wouldn't go if I didn't think they had law and order, reasonable education and health system.

Typical, slightest criticism of the RoC and you get bombarded with insults. Listen Walter Mitty. Do you honestly believe you have any credibility here? Between pushing your trolly along the aisle of your plane and posting on the forum you wouldn't have time to learn anything about anywhere. You are a fantasist piece of shit.

Idiot, you are no less than 8000 miles away from Cyprus. You hardly go the there. RH lives there and I frequently travel there. How on earth do you try and sell yourself as an authority on the affairs of Cyprus? Get a life Walter and stop making a fool of yourself. Kangaroo shagging cunt.

Say's the imbeciles who would like to criticize Cypriot law enforcement.

I'm afraid I know more about the RoC than you do, and I also know that CYPOL is competent.

In addition, we are talking about one of the youngest countries in the world here, also under illegal occupation and despite all the obstacles, the country continues to do OK and it continues to thrive.

If people get ripped off in Cyprus (it happens in all countries) then they should approach CYPOL about their matter. If they need legal advice and the OP probably does need it, they should see a lawyer.

I know more than enough to point people in that direction to get proper information and advice, this isn't the place for anyone getting that kind of advice from incompetent amateurs like yourself.

Saying that the CYPOL will do nothing is extremely unhelpful to the OP. You do it to slander the country along with RH who for some strange reason chose to migrate to a country whilst slamming the countries law and order organs of the State, which equates to diminished law and yet he still came to the RoC. I now question his sobriety because who does that? Legitimate Question.

Also saying that CYPOL and Cypriot lawyers are incompetent, you are telling the OP to give up. Why do that if there is legitimacy to his claims? I do doubt his claim but that is another matter and am therefore willing to offer some benefit of considerable doubt because if his claims are true I sympathize with the individual greatly. It's unfortunate that he is no longer here to elaborate on matters.

But if he is reading, he needs to speak to CYPOL and a Lawyer.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis:

That isn't true!

I had dealings very recently with the Australian Fraud Squad and they were not novice detectives. I even ended up under investigation because a complaint was made against my good self. But that ended very quickly as the claims were fabricated.

We are talking about Cyprus ..... not Australia! The CID 'detective' I had was incompetent and lacked the single most important quality of a detective and that is to listen and gather the facts and ask appropriate questions. He did just what you did ....... after five minutes, between checking his PC and his mobile, answering his phone and sending text messages ......... he knew it all and was solving the case. I tried to point out that he had the wrong end of the stick but he didn't listen. He then declared an obvious and provable beyond all reasonable doubt, Fraud on the Court a civil matter and nothing to do with the police....... he was then proved to be wrong.

I got me a smart lawyer who advised me but I did most of the leg work, he made a few phone calls. My request for police action and their failure to carry out an investigation is currently with the Chief of Police, having gone right through the system from the front desk to the Bosses Office!

Unfortunately this all takes time. Like you I now have to wait for the system to grind into action!

They don't like to waste their time. Same thing in Australia.

Fraud is very definitely a police matter. Problem is, a lot of people think the definition of fraud is a wide one and should cover other cases which are not fraud and actually civil. this is where the police DO NOT have any jurisdiction at all. I've been through it all.

Law Enforcement and the law operate within the very tight constraints of how fraud is defined. And there is a lot of ambiguity over whether the OP is a victim of actual fraud which is why I refer him to CYPOL and a lawyer because only a Lawyer will advise him correctly by analyzing the laws and his rights and if need be, the lawyer can help him with lodging police statements and speaking to them.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

Fraud is very definitely a police matter. Problem is, a lot of people think the definition of fraud is a wide one and should cover other cases which are not fraud and actually civil. this is where the police DO NOT have any jurisdiction at all. I've been through it all.

Do you actually know the difference between ‘fraud’ and a ‘Fraud on The Court’ ?

The latter is a felony and using a forged document as evidence is an example and you can get up to 7 years ...... that is in Cyprus. A felony is always a criminal act and is always within Police jurisdiction! Any case that can result in a Jail sentence if the person charged is found guilty, is a felony!

If you then lie, especially when using that forged document to support your lies ......... that is lying under Oath (or Perjury) and can get you up to 14 years ......... in Cyprus.

If you introduce a document as evidence, that is proven a forgery ...... even just altering it a little bit or adding something that was not there when the document was signed ......... THAT is a Fraud on The Court. The Detective I was dealing with had no clue as to the implications of that being a felony and decided that, as it was a civil action this case of forgery was not a criminal act. He has since been proved very wrong.

You have an incredibly arrogant attitude when it comes to what you think you know about a country you have never lived in. You may have ‘..... been through it all’, but not in Cyprus. You really don’t have a clue of how things work here and they would take you to the cleaners as the locals would soon work out, by your accent, that you are NOT a true Cypriot .........I believe you are known as ‘a Charlie’ and the locals dislike you as much as they do any foreigner, mainly because the Charlie’s inevitably demonstrate that they think they are much smarter than the average Cypriots, they just can’t help it!

[Paphitis]

Paphitis:

Fraud is very definitely a police matter. Problem is, a lot of people think the definition of fraud is a wide one and should cover other cases which are not fraud and actually civil. this is where the police DO NOT have any jurisdiction at all. I've been through it all.

Do you actually know the difference between ‘fraud’ and a ‘Fraud on The Court’ ?

The latter is a felony and using a forged document as evidence is an example and you can get up to 7 years ...... that is in Cyprus. A felony is always a criminal act and is always within Police jurisdiction! Any case that can result in a Jail sentence if the person charged is found guilty, is a felony!

If you then lie, especially when using that forged document to support your lies ......... that is lying under Oath (or Perjury) and can get you up to 14 years ......... in Cyprus.

If you introduce a document as evidence, that is proven a forgery ...... even just altering it a little bit or adding something that was not there when the document was signed ......... THAT is a Fraud on The Court. The Detective I was dealing with had no clue as to the implications of that being a felony and decided that, as it was a civil action this case of forgery was not a criminal act. He has since been proved very wrong.

You have an incredibly arrogant attitude when it comes to what you think you know about a country you have never lived in. You may have ‘..... been through it all’, but not in Cyprus. You really don’t have a clue of how things work here and they would take you to the cleaners as the locals would soon work out, by your accent, that you are NOT a true Cypriot .........I believe you are known as ‘a Charlie’ and the locals dislike you as much as they do any foreigner, mainly because the Charlie’s inevitably demonstrate that they think they are much smarter than the average Cypriots, they just can’t help it!

I already told you that fraud is a very specific criminal matter.

I mean honestly RH stop wasting my time.

Forging documents are a felony in most countries I know, including Cyprus. I suggest you start getting a bit more street smart and no who you are talking to especially when dealing with a new constable. You can always speak to another Officer but claiming they are incompetent is what I would call arrogant.

I have dealt with police everywhere, and a lot of the time, they do not know the laws and can be vague. It is up to you to follow things through. Take some responsibility!