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[Kikapu]

yep, Cyprus was a top global performer on locking down and opening back up again with zero daily new cases for now. Country handled it magnificently and last night had an awesome dinner in one of my favourite restaurants with masked waiters, social distancing seating and great wine. No suicides here.

Be fair its not just suicides that could account for the 12,00 excess deaths seen in a single week in England and Wales. There is also all those who starved to death there because of the economic damage of lock down as well.

I thought the main cause of deaths due to the lockdowns was shortages of toilet paper.

I get it. I would rather kill myself than wash my butt with my hand and water for few weeks!

[DT.]

yep, Cyprus was a top global performer on locking down and opening back up again with zero daily new cases for now. Country handled it magnificently and last night had an awesome dinner in one of my favourite restaurants with masked waiters, social distancing seating and great wine. No suicides here.

Be fair its not just suicides that could account for the 12,00 excess deaths seen in a single week in England and Wales. There is also all those who starved to death there because of the economic damage of lock down as well.

I thought the main cause of deaths due to the lockdowns was shortages of toilet paper.

I get it. I would rather kill myself than wash my butt with my hand and water for few weeks!

ok...all caught up

[erolz66]

On the John Hopkins figures for confirmed positives yesterday, 28th May, just recorded the highest global daily figure to date.

[Tim Drayton]

Techno-Tyranny: How The US National Security State Is Using Coronavirus To Fulfill An Orwellian Vision

https://www.activistpost.com/2020/04/te ... 2MbLkwE5KE

Could the author be right? She concludes: “We ignore the rapid advance of these NSCAI-promoted initiatives and the phasing out of so-called “legacy systems” (and with them, many long-cherished freedoms) at our own peril.” If she is, you’d better find out about it while you still can.

I don’t know about the US National Security State.

The US has various Agencies which have functions in National Security just like all countries - US Military, National Guard, FBI, NSA, CIA etc.

Already, there are a number of laws which give the NSA the ability to intercept metadata of whoever they like.

It’s the same in Australia and the other 12 eyes, 8 of which are EU countries. Germany being the most strict of the 14 from my understanding.

They don’t need Chy-na Virus to be able to track people. Since September 11, they have all the legal means to do what they need.

I appreciate what you are saying about the existing powers of the security and intelligence agencies in Western countries, but on the other hand the points listed in the National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence document the author examines in the above-quoted article would have seemed impossible to implement in democratic Western countries a few months ago, yet they are now, one by one, all becoming part of the "new normal" as the author shows.

I really wish I could convince myself it was coincidental and random, but it is far too systematic. When right-wing populist dictators from Orban and Erdoğan to Duterte starting being installed in fledging or flawed democracies using astonishingly similar techniques, and none of these have ever taken a single step that is detrimental to the interests of global capital, I suspected that this was part of a larger plan. The next stage of the coup is coming. They have found a real winner in the form of engendering baseless terror over a virus now shown in one mass serological study after another to be no more deadly than influenza and then told the sheeple to submit to Big Brother because he is the only one who can save them from the bogeyman. Or are people really so credulous? A recent study in the UK showed 60% of respondents saying they think the government is to an extent lying to them about the epidemic. There are some serious protest movements in Germany and in parts of the USA. Perhaps there is hope. Meanwhile, I was able to go out walking in the countryside at Troodos this week, a delight I thought I may never experience again, and I made sure I took every ounce of pleasure from it in the knowledge that Big Brother could deprive me even of this simple pleasure for good if he decides to restrict our movements again and this time permanently. The joke is, even if we bow to the imposed imperative of totally pointless "social distancing", for which there is absolutely no scientific basis (a virus does not spread by being in close proximity to another person), I didn't see another soul on my three-hour walk. Humanity seems to be walking towards a new period of total enslavement, all the while bleating in joy because Big Brother is keeping them safe from the bogeyman.

I would recommend that British people especially take a look at the following 53-minute programme which provides some details of the silent coup that seems to be taking place in the UK, and also raises alarming suggestions that war between the West and China, with Russia as the latter's likely ally, is either imminent or is even already taking place unbeknown to the people at large:

https://youtu.be/zjAoqx5OOFc

[Tim Drayton]

On the John Hopkins figures for confirmed positives yesterday, 28th May, just recorded the highest global daily figure to date.

Given that, as was so eloquently confirmed by UK Chief Medical Officer Chris Witty while addressing a briefing, a clip of which I have posted above, the vast number of cases are asymptomatic and most of those that are not resemble having a cold or the flu, and the risk of dying for anyone in good health under the age of 50 is negligible, I don't understand the concern about the number of cases. The faster it spreads the quicker most people will become immune and the virus will then disappear. Essentially the same result as the mass forced vaccination the prospect of which has big pharma salivating with profits of at least $700,000,000,000 beckoning, except it is natural, has no side effects and is free. All you need to do is ensure that the vulnerable are protected.

[Kikapu]

I really wish I could convince myself it was coincidental and random, but it is far too systematic. When right-wing populist dictators from Orban and Erdoğan to Duterte starting being installed in fledging or flawed democracies using astonishingly similar techniques, and none of these have ever taken a single step that is detrimental to the interests of global capital, I suspected that this was part of a larger plan. The next stage of the coup is coming. They have found a real winner in the form of engendering baseless terror over a virus now shown in one mass serological study after another to be no more deadly than influenza and then told the sheeple to submit to Big Brother because he is the only one who can save them from the bogeyman.

Really Tim? After two months of partial lockdown in most parts of the world, the governments of those countries can’t wait to have the lockdowns lifted to get the people back to work because the governments cannot afford to give free money to the public for them to stay at home, therefore, whatever bad faith the governments around the world may have had to use a “harmless virus” to scare people just to keep them under control like bunch of zombies, it has backfired. So you see Tim, the people have won and the “dictatorship” in the democratic world has lost.

[erolz66]

which has big pharma salivating with profits of at least $700,000,000,000 beckoning

A clearer example of how gross exaggeration and hyped up fear mongering is totally acceptable to you when it suits your agenda and is the root of all evil when it does not, would be hard to find imo. The top ten bio/pharmaceutical global giants in 2019 total INCOME, not profit but total income was short of 90 billion usd. You are 'predicting' PROFITS of at least 700 billion from coivd-19 vaccines that we still do not even know is possible.

[cyprusgrump]

On the John Hopkins figures for confirmed positives yesterday, 28th May, just recorded the highest global daily figure to date.

Why do you think that is...?

It is a flu-type virus, it comes, infects people and goes...

If you look at the daily infections it is a bell-type curve.

Countries that started the process in early March have gone past the peak and down the other side of the curve.

Countries that got infected at the end of March are still climbing up the curve - they happen to be countries with large populations like India and Brazil.

But I suspect you knew that anyway...

BTW, you posted this on Thursday...

https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4ca4-9a82-648ffde71bf0

The timing of lockdowns relative to the spread of the virus had a significant effect on the total level of excess deaths, the data show. Countries such as Germany and Norway, which imposed restrictions when the spread of the virus was limited, suffered much lower levels of additional deaths than those in the UK where the government waited longer before ordering a lockdown.

Excess deaths is internationally recognised as the best way to compare countries’ performance in handling infectious diseases. Chris Whitty, the UK’s chief medical officer, called excess deaths “the key metric”.

Examining the cause of the high death rates in certain countries, the strongest link appears at this stage to be between the date of a country’s lockdown and the probable number of infections that already existed when restrictions were applied.

All stuff I have been consistently saying.

You are probably aware that the article was later changed and has been totally discredited?

No doubt you were about to mention that you were wrong?

[erolz66]

and the risk of dying for anyone in good health under the age of 50 is negligible, I don't understand the concern about the number of cases. The faster it spreads the quicker most people will become immune and the virus will then disappear. Essentially the same result as the mass forced vaccination the prospect of which has big pharma salivating with profits of at least $700,000,000,000 beckoning, except it is natural, has no side effects and is free. All you need to do is ensure that the vulnerable are protected.

Shortened lifespans of the over 50 are not less valuable than those over 50. For your 'solution' to work it REQUIRES a certain minimum number of deaths / shortened lifespans. This number can be calculated using IOFR and what herd immunity threshold is for this virus.

Using the lowest guess for both the numbers crunch as follows

IFR 0.1% , herd immunity threshold 60% = 4,200,000 REQUIRED global dead to reach herd immunity.

Using high end numbers but certainly not the highest still being mooted for IFR

IFR 0.7%, herd immunity threshold 90% = 44,100,000 REQUIRED global dead to reach herd immunity.

And we still do not even know if herd immunity is possible. Somewhere between 4 and 44 million required global deaths to reach a solution that we still do not know yet if it possible, is what you are saying you do not ' I don't understand the concern about'. If herd immunity is possible and if a vaccine can be found, both unknown currently, then exactly the same result can be achieved with massively less REQUIRED deaths. Can you understand that ?

[erolz66]

Why do you think that is...?

I think the idea pushed by some here that globally we are over the peak of infections is refuted by the simple facts.

You are probably aware that the article was later changed and has been totally discredited?

No doubt you were about to mention that you were wrong?

The over all findings were not totally discredited. The numbers for Spain were revised upwards by Spain after the original article was published and like responsible seekers of truth the FT then corrected their report. That is what people interested in the truth do and what people like yourself only interested in propaganda and slogans do not do. Every point made in that article that I highlighted remains exactly the same with the pre revised Spanish figure and with the post ones. Your claim that the report is totally discredited just shows how much truth matters to you.