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Postby cyprusgrump » Sat May 30, 2020 11:14 am

erolz66 wrote:I think the idea pushed by some here that globally we are over the peak of infections is refuted by the simple facts.


Another classic ErLolz straw man! :lol:

I didn't claim we were over the peak, I explained why the numbers are increasing when many countries clearly are past the peak - there is plenty of data available to prove that. Some of the 'late starters' happen to have very high populations. :roll:

erolz66 wrote:The over all findings were not totally discredited. The numbers for Spain were revised upwards by Spain after the original article was published and like responsible seekers of truth the FT then corrected their report. That is what people interested in the truth do and what people like yourself only interested in propaganda and slogans do not do. Every point made in that article that I highlighted remains exactly the same with the pre revised Spanish figure and with the post ones. Your claim that the report is totally discredited just shows how much truth matters to you.


Yes they were, they changed the chart to one which did not prove the content of the report (i.e. that infections are closely related to Lockdown date)... :roll:

But the data told a completely different story. The link between lockdown day infections and deaths had broken down. The US, for instance, had a much greater infection rate on lockdown day (30 infections per million) than the Netherlands (7.5 per million), but suffered far fewer excess deaths. Although the new FT chart had a regression line drawn through the data points, it was clear that there was no statistical correlation between estimated lockdown infections and a country’s excess deaths. You can see from looking at the FT’s scatter plot that the regression coefficient (R-squared) for its new, revised chart is very low and not statistically meaningful. Most of the dots are quite far away from the regression line, whereas in the first chart the dots all cluster around the line.


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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby erolz66 » Sat May 30, 2020 11:31 am

cyprusgrump wrote:Another classic ErLolz straw man! :lol:

I didn't claim we were over the peak,


And I did not claim you had suggested we were over the peak globally, just that some here had. Which was the entire point of my original post, that you then jumped on by agreeing with me that we are not yet over the peak globally.

So what is the number CG ? 4 million dead enough for you ? 40 million ? These are the kinds of numbers Tim's herd immunity solution would require even if it is possible which we can not know yet.

cyprusgrump wrote:Yes they were, they changed the chart to one which did not prove the content of the report (i.e. that infections are closely related to Lockdown date)... :roll:


Just nonsense that can only come from someone determined to prove their pre chosen side is right regardless of the evidence. You can move Spain's number up a bit to just over the UK's, the result of SPain revising their total death all causes number upwards and the point remains exactly the same. As do the points made in the specific sections I quoted from that article.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby cyprusgrump » Sat May 30, 2020 12:01 pm

erolz66 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:Another classic ErLolz straw man! :lol:

I didn't claim we were over the peak,


And I did not claim you had suggested we were over the peak globally, just that some here had. Which was the entire point of my original post, that you then jumped on by agreeing with me that we are not yet over the peak globally.

So what is the number CG ? 4 million dead enough for you ? 40 million ? These are the kinds of numbers Tim's herd immunity solution would require even if it is possible which we can not know yet.

cyprusgrump wrote:Yes they were, they changed the chart to one which did not prove the content of the report (i.e. that infections are closely related to Lockdown date)... :roll:


Just nonsense that can only come from someone determined to prove their pre chosen side is right regardless of the evidence. You can move Spain's number up a bit to just over the UK's, the result of SPain revising their total death all causes number upwards and the point remains exactly the same. As do the points made in the specific sections I quoted from that article.



Utter bollox...As usual. :roll:

Clearly many countries are past the peak - do you deny the evidence of that?

Clearly some 'late starting countries are yet to reach the peak.

And given that many countries are past their peak and world-wide deaths are still under half a million that tells us a lot about the virus doesn't it...?

As for the FT, you simply have to look at the revised chart to see that it doesn't prove the content of the article nor the points you claimed - it just doesn't! :lol:

For somebody that claims to be 'searching for the truth' you are clearly doing the opposite - clinging to any news or data that supports your side even when it is disproved.

Anyway, I don't really have time for your utter bollox, my wife has been in hospital all week - of course I couldn't visit her because of your beloved Lockdown... :roll:
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Londonrake » Sat May 30, 2020 12:05 pm

Hope she’s OK Mate.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Kikapu » Sat May 30, 2020 12:29 pm

Londonrake wrote:Hope she’s OK Mate.

Me too.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby erolz66 » Sat May 30, 2020 12:37 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:Clearly many countries are past the peak - do you deny the evidence of that?


We could argue the semantics of many but no I do not deny that those countries that are over the peak are over the peak.

cyprusgrump wrote:Clearly some 'late starting countries are yet to reach the peak.


Globally we are not yet over the peak because the numbers for confirmed infections over the last two days have been higher than any previous days. I understand why you want to talk about 'many' in your first category and 'some' in your second when I was explicitly talking about globally. What you want does not change facts however. Globally we have not yet reached the peak.

cyprusgrump wrote:And given that many countries are past their peak and world-wide deaths are still under half a million that tells us a lot about the virus doesn't it...?


No it does not. It just shows how you can and will use false logic to support your pre chosen position.

cyprusgrump wrote:As for the FT, you simply have to look at the revised chart to see that it doesn't prove the content of the article nor the points you claimed - it just doesn't! :lol:


What you call the 'revised chart' appears to not even exist on the FT sites at all and is used by your preferred partial site "lockdownsceptics.org/" designed to create exactly the misleading impression you try and push here as well. If you want truth then this is what the SAME chart looked like before the revision and after it on the actual source FT site.

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cyprusgrump wrote:For somebody that claims to be 'searching for the truth' you are clearly doing the opposite - clinging to any news or data that supports your side even when it is disproved.


Now compare THAT with the blurred low res chart from your total biased and partial website that you it and you are CLAIMING is the AFTER chart yet does not seem to exist at all on the Ft's site and it is clear I think who is searching for truth here and who is just seeking to support their pre chosen side regardless of truth.

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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby cyprusgrump » Sat May 30, 2020 2:47 pm

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Londonrake wrote:Hope she’s OK Mate.

Me too.




Thanks guys...

It has been pretty ghastly actually...

Paramedics rushed her in on Monday with concussion after a fall.

Couldn't go in the ambulance with her and not allowed inside the hospital to visit (because Virus :roll: ).

Was allowed to collect her Thursday arvo but she still needs 24/7 care (the uniform suits me :wink: )

I reckon we need to switch 2020 off, wait 5 mins and then switch it back again! :evil:

I have to say, the Paramedics from The Blue Cross in Pafos were sensational! Completely 100% professional.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Kikapu » Sat May 30, 2020 4:06 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Hope she’s OK Mate.

Me too.




Thanks guys...

It has been pretty ghastly actually...

Paramedics rushed her in on Monday with concussion after a fall.

Couldn't go in the ambulance with her and not allowed inside the hospital to visit (because Virus :roll: ).

Was allowed to collect her Thursday arvo but she still needs 24/7 care (the uniform suits me :wink: )

I reckon we need to switch 2020 off, wait 5 mins and then switch it back again! :evil:

I have to say, the Paramedics from The Blue Cross in Pafos were sensational! Completely 100% professional.


I never understood why some hospitals in most countries were not reserved only for non Covid-19 related patients so that other patients needing care could continue and have visitors as normal. In fact, earlier in this crises, I had suggested building M*A*S*H* units for only Covid-19 patients.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat May 30, 2020 6:23 pm

...for the record, the US has officially withdrawn from WHO.

...frankly it has not been given a lot of coverage.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby erolz66 » Sat May 30, 2020 6:36 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...for the record, the US has officially withdrawn from WHO.

...frankly it has not been given a lot of coverage.


Has got some but yeah probably not as much as it warrants. So far not even 'lapdog' Australia looks likely to follow his masters lead on this one as far as I can tell.
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