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[Paphitis]

Even Trump finds Brazil's efforts appalling. (that in itself should give those who say the lockdown has with it ulterior motives, something to think about)

...given that this pandemic will be over eventually, it will be interesting to see serious comparisons between Sweden and Brazil, as well as Brazil to the rest of the world.

...i ask, can you ignore science, with such an event, and enjoy the same or better results? Indeed, most of the efforts, in this lockdown will obviously be found to be a waste, with little or no benefit; this is normal. On the other hand, being the first time, having this information will be useful, with its own rewards in the future.

...well there is rioting, and demonstrations in the streets, but it is not about COVID19; counter intuitively, that is a good sign, it implies that the People do not take their Freedom lightly.

He won't be the only one to follow Trump.

There could be many more soon. The thing with WHO is that they lost all credibility a few months ago. Australia is also another country considering on leaving WHO. I have also heard that Japan, South Korea, and Singapore could also be leaving.

Australia is waiting for the investigations into China, but I think it will eventually withdraw.

I do kow Australia has said it will slash funding to the EU by 75% in the short term, and also plans on slashing funding to the UN.

[erolz66]

I do kow Australia has said it will slash funding to the EU by 75% in the short term,.

75% of nothing is nothing, even in Australia. Australia does not fund the EU. What were you saying about no room for error ?

[Tim Drayton]

He talks about herd immunity at 30% yet I know of not one of the many viruses we have eradicated or near eradicated like polio where vaccine of a mere 30% of the population has been sufficent to eradicate or near eradicate the virus.

Thank you for your valuable analysis, but I think you may have erred on that point as, according to the following Wikipedia article, the Herd Immunity Threshold varies from 33-44% for influenza to 92-95% for measles (both viruses). Perhaps your error stems from the belief that herd immunity can only be achieved through vaccination, when it can also come about through contracting the virus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

[Paphitis]

I do kow Australia has said it will slash funding to the EU by 75% in the short term,.

75% of nothing is nothing, even in Australia. Australia does not fund the EU. What were you saying about no room for error ?

Right! I meant to say UN. It was typo

Why would Australia fund the EU?

Yes no room for error. But here on Cyrus Forum, there is plenty of room for error. Unless of course if you take it too seriously.

My safety isn't dependent on any of my typos here on this forum. And pilots from my experience are pretty lazy in their writing which is why we literally have acronyms.

[erolz66]

He talks about herd immunity at 30% yet I know of not one of the many viruses we have eradicated or near eradicated like polio where vaccine of a mere 30% of the population has been sufficent to eradicate or near eradicate the virus.

Thank you for your valuable analysis, but I think you may have erred on that point as, according to the following Wikipedia article, the Herd Immunity Threshold varies from 33-44% for influenza to 92-95% for measles (both viruses). Perhaps your error stems from the belief that herd immunity can only be achieved through vaccination, when it can also come about through contracting the virus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

So no comment on the population of Sweden being wrong ? No comment on the chosen herd immunity threshold of 30% being under the lowest shown minimum even from your own source ? No comment on his claiming as fact the two numbers that every professional admits can not be know with certainty, IFR and R ? No comment on his claim that his low ball figures for both guess numbers being stated as fact is based on notions like "Additionally when we look at the countries that have opened up, we see that there has been no spike in R0 rates, and things are continuing to trend down at the essentially the same rates logarithmically." yet when you look at the actual data on John Hopkins this just is not the case. Look at the daily rate graphs for example Italy or Spain - there is a clear logarithmic spike and a clear reduction in cases after this spike. Then look at the same for US and Sweden - there is no such logarithmic down trends for the US and Sweden is currently showing a up trend in the last few days having been pretty much flat line previous to that. The numbers just do not match the claims made that are then used to justify the 'fact' status of IFR and R neither of which can be know with any certainty. And he can not get the population of Sweden right.

[Tim Drayton]

Yeah. I read it. But - “let’s not trade my expert with your expert”

Anyway.

Another Beeb missive on Bill today:

How Bill Gates became the voodoo doll of Covid conspiracies https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52833706

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According to the above article from the Bill Gates Foundation-funded BBC, numbering among the “more outlandish conspiracy theories” are “claims that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has tested vaccines on children in Africa and India, leading to thousands of deaths and irreversible injuries. One post even suggested he is facing trial in India.”

Well, yes, Bill Gates may not be personally facing trail in India, but as the Daily Mail reports, a study funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation in which it is claimed that children as young as nine suffered side-effects after being used as unwitting human guinea pigs for a new drug is the subject of a court case in India:

Judges demand answers after children die in controversial cancer vaccine trial in India

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... India.html

Speaking of India, the following article shows that as a result of a polio vaccination campaign given funding by the Bill Gates Foundation (although the article notes “The Government of India finally had to fund this hugely expensive programme, which cost the country 100 times more than the value of the initial grant”):

“While India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received.”

(I had to find a cached version of the article. Access to the original article seems to be blocked for some strange reason)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =1&vwsrc=0

In other words, it did more harm than good at great expense to the Indian government.

If you are looking for a more critical view of the activities of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation than you will find in the media financed by that foundation (e.g the BBC and The Guardian), I would recommend the following:

https://curtisresearch.org/wp-content/u ... -final.pdf

Perhaps these examples of botched efforts by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, maybe even well intentioned, to foist vaccines on whole populations help to explain why some of us get a shiver down our spines when we hear Gates talk about vaccinating seven billion people.

[erolz66]

Judges demand answers after children die in controversial cancer vaccine trial in India

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... India.html

A judge asked for answers 5 years ago and since then nothing. This is pathetic Tim.

Speaking of India, the following article shows that as a result of a polio vaccination campaign given funding by

How many people in the UK died or were parallelised because of Polio in the UK in the last 70 years ? How many in the 70 years before that ? How was this achieved ? You know the answer.

[cyprusgrump]

I do kow Australia has said it will slash funding to the EU by 75% in the short term,.

75% of nothing is nothing, even in Australia. Australia does not fund the EU. What were you saying about no room for error ?

Right! I meant to say UN. It was typo

Why would Australia fund the EU?

Yes no room for error. But here on Cyrus Forum, there is plenty of room for error. Unless of course if you take it too seriously.

My safety isn't dependent on any of my typos here on this forum. And pilots from my experience are pretty lazy in their writing which is why we literally have acronyms.

ErLolz has no shame...

He is quite happy to dismiss pages of FACTS based on a single typo (or paragraph) which he believes proves everything that went before is wrong...

He still claims he is seeking truth!

[erolz66]

ErLolz has no shame...

Classic projection.

He is quite happy to dismiss pages of FACTS based on a single typo (or paragraph) which he believes proves everything that went before is wrong...

You taunted me to spend 10 minutes reading your BS article, which I did and I detailed the BS in it, not least the fact that the author can not even get the population of Sweden right. All of which you just ignore and instead go with an ad hominem attack based on the opposite of what I actually did.

It is almost like you can not see or understand what a twat you look like when this appears to be all you have It is also like you can not see or understand that calling people names is what children in the playground do. And Paphitis and Trump of course

[cyprusgrump]

ErLolz has no shame...

Classic projection.

He is quite happy to dismiss pages of FACTS based on a single typo (or paragraph) which he believes proves everything that went before is wrong...

You taunted me to spend 10 minutes reading your BS article, which I did and I detailed the BS in it, not least the fact that the author can not even get the population of Sweden right. All of which you just ignore and instead go with an ad hominem attack based on the opposite of what I actually did.

It is almost like you can not see or understand what a twat you look like when this appears to be all you have It is also like you can not see or understand that calling people names is what children in the playground do. And Paphitis and Trump of course

So you accuse me of ad hominem and then engage in ad hominem...?

You realise that makes you a hypocrite don't you...? But then I've pointed out what a hypocrite you are countless* times before ErLolz...














* No doubt you will go back and count exactly how many times I've called you a hypocrite so you can disagree and say it wasn't 'countless'...