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[erolz66]

So you accuse me of ad hominem and then engage in ad hominem...?

You realise that makes you a hypocrite don't you...? But then I've pointed out what a hypocrite you are countless* times before ErLolz...

We are all hypocrites. What is relevant is degree and you my friend are at the far end of that spectrum and way past where I am. To that you can add that the attack i accused you of was based in reality and truth. Your attack on me was that I had ignored the 'facts' in your link, when the plain reality is not only did I NOT ignore them I showed them to not even BE facts, like the population of Sweden, all of which YOU ignored whilst accusing me of ignoring such stuff that I had not in fact ignored at all. Seeing the difference yet

[cyprusgrump]

So you accuse me of ad hominem and then engage in ad hominem...?

You realise that makes you a hypocrite don't you...? But then I've pointed out what a hypocrite you are countless* times before ErLolz...

We are all hypocrites. What is relevant is degree and you my friend are at the far end of that spectrum and way past where I am. To that you can add that the attack i accused you of was based in reality and truth. Your attack on me was that I had ignored the 'facts' in your link, when the plain reality is not only did I NOT ignore them I showed them to not even BE facts, like the population of Sweden, all of which YOU ignored whilst accusing me of ignoring such stuff that I had not in fact ignored at all. Seeing the difference yet

Of course ErLolz...

You don't do anything that you accuse everybody else of... And you are always right and anybody that disagrees is wrong... I understand your rules of engagement...

You're mental...

And you are going to fall as hard as Bordo when this pans out...

[Tim Drayton]

A judge asked for answers 5 years ago and since then nothing. This is pathetic Tim.

"A MailOnline investigation published earlier this month uncovered claims that children as young as nine suffered side-effects after being used as unwitting human guinea pigs for the new drug."

Activists in India are trying to fight for justice for these kids through the Indian courts, and you describe this as pathetic?

Anyway, the point at issue is whether there was indeed a court case over this issue or whether this is a conspiracy theory.

[erolz66]

So you accuse me of ad hominem and then engage in ad hominem...?

You realise that makes you a hypocrite don't you...? But then I've pointed out what a hypocrite you are countless* times before ErLolz...

We are all hypocrites. What is relevant is degree and you my friend are at the far end of that spectrum and way past where I am. To that you can add that the attack i accused you of was based in reality and truth. Your attack on me was that I had ignored the 'facts' in your link, when the plain reality is not only did I NOT ignore them I showed them to not even BE facts, like the population of Sweden, all of which YOU ignored whilst accusing me of ignoring such stuff that I had not in fact ignored at all. Seeing the difference yet

Of course ErLolz...

You don't do anything that you accuse everybody else of... And you are always right and anybody that disagrees is wrong... I understand your rules of engagement...

You're mental...

And you are going to fall as hard as Bordo when this pans out...

It is not my fault CG that you are consistently worse than me and I would say average at just about all the things you accuse me of. The evidence for this is clear and plain. I know you do not care about evidence just as I know that you not caring about it does not and can not change reality.

Even after 250 pages your comprehension is still blinded by your prejudice. I , unlike you, have made no claims that can subsequently be shown to be wrong. All I have done is challenge YOUR certainty that is based on 'experts' who can not even get the population of Sweden right. Time almost certainly will show how wrong your are, as it has done already on several fronts. It can not prove me wrong because I have made no certain claims based on uncertain evidence to suit an agenda. I just keep putting hard facts up that are not compatible with the claims you have been making since day one. I can say it a hundred times and you still will not get. I have not and am not saying the net benefit of lock down will be positive. I just keep point out that your certain claims that it is definitively net negative can not be know yet and point out where what IS known already does not support your certainty.

[erolz66]

A judge asked for answers 5 years ago and since then nothing. This is pathetic Tim.

"A MailOnline investigation published earlier this month uncovered claims that children as young as nine suffered side-effects after being used as unwitting human guinea pigs for the new drug."

Activists in India are trying to fight for justice for these kids through the Indian courts, and you describe this as pathetic?

Anyway, the point at issue is whether there was indeed a court case over this issue or whether this is a conspiracy theory.

You just keep posting a 5 year old article Tim. So what happened with the court case ? Did a court case even happen ? Is it still ongoing ? Was anyone found guilty ? That Bill Gates part funded by donation a study that attracted some negative response is not conspiracy. What is conspiracy is trying to use this to support an argument that Bill Gates has an agenda to vaccinate the world against covid-19 knowing that such is unnecessary in order to either make money or to implant tracking chips into the world population or both. There is no evidence to suggest that. That IS conspiracy theory. That is how it works. You take something minor that did happen and use that to suggest something absurd is reality. That is all you are doing here. As far as such nonsense does influence people, it almost certainly will cause premature deaths. Nice.

[Tim Drayton]

A judge asked for answers 5 years ago and since then nothing. This is pathetic Tim.

"A MailOnline investigation published earlier this month uncovered claims that children as young as nine suffered side-effects after being used as unwitting human guinea pigs for the new drug."

Activists in India are trying to fight for justice for these kids through the Indian courts, and you describe this as pathetic?

Anyway, the point at issue is whether there was indeed a court case over this issue or whether this is a conspiracy theory.

You just keep posting a 5 year old article Tim. So what happened with the court case ? Did a court case even happen ? Is it still ongoing ? Was anyone found guilty ? That Bill Gates part funded by donation a study that attracted some negative response is not conspiracy. What is conspiracy is trying to use this to support an argument that Bill Gates has an agenda to vaccinate the world against covid-19 knowing that such is unnecessary in order to either make money or to implant tracking chips into the world population or both. There is no evidence to suggest that. That IS conspiracy theory. That is how it works. You take something minor that did happen and use that to suggest something absurd is reality. That is all you are doing here. As far as such nonsense does influence people, it almost certainly will cause premature deaths. Nice.

Thank you for your reply, but I really think you have missed the point, which was to address the claim made in a BBC article concerning what it calls conspiracy theories about the Bill Gates Foundation:

The BBC's anti-disinformation team has been researching some of the more outlandish ones.

• They include claims that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has tested vaccines on children in Africa and India, leading to thousands of deaths and irreversible injuries. One post even suggested he is facing trial in India.

Leaving to one side the stunning naivety of treating any media organization such as the BBC which is massively funded by the Bill Gates Foundation* as a source of reliable and impartial information about this foundation, while it is true that Bill Gates is not personally facing trial in India, it is somewhat disingenuous of the article to overlook the fact that there is a court case pending in India over an event in that country described in the Daily Mail as:

A MailOnline investigation published earlier this month uncovered claims that children as young as nine suffered side-effects after being used as unwitting human guinea pigs for the new drug.

meaning that there is considerable substance to allegations the BBC article dismisses as a conspiracy theory.

Frankly it saddens me that you can dismiss the following event as “a study that attracted some negative response”:

One BMGF-funded programme is currently the subject of a court case in India, with accusations that a vaccine “demonstration project” has caused deaths and illnesses. Beginning in 2009, some 23,500 girls aged 9-15 were administered with vaccines to prevent cervical cancer in Khammam district of Andhra Pradesh and Vadodara district of Gujarat. The vaccines were Gardasil and Cervarix, the former manufactured and donated by Merck, the latter by GlaxoSmithKline, and were administered under the supervision of state health officials. The NGO implementing the project was the US-based PATH (Program for Appropriate Technology in Health), which receives numerous grants from the BMGF (for more detail see p. 21). Its purpose in conducting the trials was to generate evidence to support the inclusion of the vaccines in India’s national immunisation programme.

Several months after the vaccines were administered, many girls started falling ill and by 2010 five of them died in Andhra Pradesh and two died in Gujarat. Petitioners who are now challenging these two trials at the Indian Supreme Court claim that at least 1,200 girls in the two states have suffered from serious side effects or have developed auto-immune disorders and who need continuing medical treatment.

https://curtisresearch.org/wp-content/u ... -final.pdf

I thought you were more aware and sensitive than that.

As to your straw man argument of the existence of a theory which claims “Bill Gates has an agenda to vaccinate the world against covid-19 knowing that such is unnecessary in order to either make money or to implant tracking chips into the world population or both,” just who is making this bizarre claim and where?

* See for example:
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We- ... OPP1141428
https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news ... vice-trust
https://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/revealed ... oundation/

[Tim Drayton]

... how many extra deaths will there be from flu in the winter of 2020/21 in the UK because people who otherwise could have been protected by taking an annual flu vaccine will not now do so because they are worried it has a Bill Gates tracking chip in it ?

Sorry, I forgot to congratulate you earlier. Every time I think you cannot possibly come up with a more outlandish and bizarre straw man argument, you pull yet another one out of the hat.

[Londonrake]

It seems extraordinary - that a man who probably makes $500,000 every hour of the day in interest on his wealth, not to mention income, would want to get involved in all that shit.

[erolz66]

A judge asked for answers 5 years ago and since then nothing. This is pathetic Tim.

"A MailOnline investigation published earlier this month uncovered claims that children as young as nine suffered side-effects after being used as unwitting human guinea pigs for the new drug."

Activists in India are trying to fight for justice for these kids through the Indian courts, and you describe this as pathetic?

Anyway, the point at issue is whether there was indeed a court case over this issue or whether this is a conspiracy theory.

You just keep posting a 5 year old article Tim. So what happened with the court case ? Did a court case even happen ? Is it still ongoing ? Was anyone found guilty ? That Bill Gates part funded by donation a study that attracted some negative response is not conspiracy. What is conspiracy is trying to use this to support an argument that Bill Gates has an agenda to vaccinate the world against covid-19 knowing that such is unnecessary in order to either make money or to implant tracking chips into the world population or both. There is no evidence to suggest that. That IS conspiracy theory. That is how it works. You take something minor that did happen and use that to suggest something absurd is reality. That is all you are doing here. As far as such nonsense does influence people, it almost certainly will cause premature deaths. Nice.

Thank you for your reply, but I really think you have missed the point, which was to address the claim made in a BBC article concerning what it calls conspiracy theories about the Bill Gates Foundation:

The BBC's anti-disinformation team has been researching some of the more outlandish ones.

• They include claims that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has tested vaccines on children in Africa and India, leading to thousands of deaths and irreversible injuries. One post even suggested he is facing trial in India.

Leaving to one side the stunning naivety of treating any media organization such as the BBC which is massively funded by the Bill Gates Foundation* as a source of reliable and impartial information about this foundation, while it is true that Bill Gates is not personally facing trial in India, it is somewhat disingenuous of the article to overlook the fact that there is a court case pending in India over an event in that country described in the Daily Mail as:

A MailOnline investigation published earlier this month uncovered claims that children as young as nine suffered side-effects after being used as unwitting human guinea pigs for the new drug.

meaning that there is considerable substance to allegations the BBC article dismisses as a conspiracy theory.

Frankly it saddens me that you can dismiss the following event as “a study that attracted some negative response”:

One BMGF-funded programme is currently the subject of a court case in India, with accusations that a vaccine “demonstration project” has caused deaths and illnesses. Beginning in 2009, some 23,500 girls aged 9-15 were administered with vaccines to prevent cervical cancer in Khammam district of Andhra Pradesh and Vadodara district of Gujarat. The vaccines were Gardasil and Cervarix, the former manufactured and donated by Merck, the latter by GlaxoSmithKline, and were administered under the supervision of state health officials. The NGO implementing the project was the US-based PATH (Program for Appropriate Technology in Health), which receives numerous grants from the BMGF (for more detail see p. 21). Its purpose in conducting the trials was to generate evidence to support the inclusion of the vaccines in India’s national immunisation programme.

Several months after the vaccines were administered, many girls started falling ill and by 2010 five of them died in Andhra Pradesh and two died in Gujarat. Petitioners who are now challenging these two trials at the Indian Supreme Court claim that at least 1,200 girls in the two states have suffered from serious side effects or have developed auto-immune disorders and who need continuing medical treatment.

https://curtisresearch.org/wp-content/u ... -final.pdf

I thought you were more aware and sensitive than that.

As to your straw man argument of the existence of a theory which claims “Bill Gates has an agenda to vaccinate the world against covid-19 knowing that such is unnecessary in order to either make money or to implant tracking chips into the world population or both,” just who is making this bizarre claim and where?

* See for example:
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We- ... OPP1141428
https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news ... vice-trust
https://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/revealed ... oundation/

I do not have the time or will to indulge your in your fantasies Tim.

Where are the 1000's of deaths ? If it did not happen it is not true. Has Bill Gates or his foundation ever stood trial in India ? If it did not happen it is not true ? Bill gates does not fund the BBC 'massively' or otherwise. His foundation has donated to BBC's media action initiative along with the Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency, UN development program, USAID, UNICEF and others. https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding

You have nothing but tired old conspiracy theories. Boring and dangerous.

[erolz66]

... how many extra deaths will there be from flu in the winter of 2020/21 in the UK because people who otherwise could have been protected by taking an annual flu vaccine will not now do so because they are worried it has a Bill Gates tracking chip in it ?

Sorry, I forgot to congratulate you earlier. Every time I think you cannot possibly come up with a more outlandish and bizarre straw man argument, you pull yet another one out of the hat.

Do you take annual flu vaccine Tim ?