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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:26 am

I take note from people like this, people who actually know what they are talking about. :|

Paphitis prefers to take note from people/sources who confirm what he already thinks he knows. He is in a dangerous job! All he needs is one virus carrier on the incoming flight or when he takes the aeroplane over ..... and he is very likely a victim! When he gets home he passes it to his family and he doesn’t even know it, until it’s too late. But he doesn’t listen to common sense arguments because they don’t confirm his opinion.

Sorry its rather a long link address ............... but it does work and it is worth reading as it is an explanation from a real expert on the subject! :roll:

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/03/13/virologist-marc-g-wathelet-continues-to-encourage-belgium-government-to-take-necessary-steps-to-control-the-virus/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=virologist_marc_g_wathelet_continues_to_encourage_belgium_government_to_take_necessary_steps_to_control_the_virus&utm_term=2020-03-13
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:41 am

Robin Hood wrote:I take note from people like this, people who actually know what they are talking about. :|

Paphitis prefers to take note from people/sources who confirm what he already thinks he knows. He is in a dangerous job! All he needs is one virus carrier on the incoming flight or when he takes the aeroplane over ..... and he is very likely a victim! When he gets home he passes it to his family and he doesn’t even know it, until it’s too late. But he doesn’t listen to common sense arguments because they don’t confirm his opinion.

Sorry its rather a long link address ............... but it does work and it is worth reading as it is an explanation from a real expert on the subject! :roll:

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/03/13/virologist-marc-g-wathelet-continues-to-encourage-belgium-government-to-take-necessary-steps-to-control-the-virus/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=virologist_marc_g_wathelet_continues_to_encourage_belgium_government_to_take_necessary_steps_to_control_the_virus&utm_term=2020-03-13

Great article.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby CrookedRiverGuy » Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:26 am

Here's a good visualization on why it's important to act early. I hope Cyprus, with its low numbers, will get this too.

https://flowingdata.com/2020/03/09/flatten-the-coronavirus-curve

I am worried for densely populated, poor countries. What will happen when the shit hits the fan in e.g Pakistan and Indonesia?

And what about the "TRNC". It seems UK is still in denial, they might contaminate northern parts of Cyprus soon. So yeah, closing the checkpoints early was a very good move!
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:51 am

As I understand it:

If you isolate too soon .... you just kick the can down the road. By containing it ...... those that get it and survive will have some immunity.

In the first instance .... directly you lift the isolation, all those that were in isolation, whether it is The Country or just large areas, will have no immunity and just one carrier is needed to spark an epidemic. The longer the delay period of the symptoms, the more people who don’t have immunity will go down with it and the more intense in numbers affected the epidemic becomes.

In the second incidence .... when you lift their isolation/containment, some 80% will have acquired some immunity. So any further outbreaks become more manageable.

But in either case it seems closing down access to/from the outside World should be the first action and then isolation by area to detect, contain and control the spread of the virus until that population acquires higher levels of immunity.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby CrookedRiverGuy » Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:23 am

Robin Hood wrote:As I understand it:

If you isolate too soon .... you just kick the can down the road. By containing it ...... those that get it and survive will have some immunity.

In the first instance .... directly you lift the isolation, all those that were in isolation, whether it is The Country or just large areas, will have no immunity and just one carrier is needed to spark an epidemic. The longer the delay period of the symptoms, the more people who don’t have immunity will go down with it and the more intense in numbers affected the epidemic becomes.

In the second incidence .... when you lift their isolation/containment, some 80% will have acquired some immunity. So any further outbreaks become more manageable.

But in either case it seems closing down access to/from the outside World should be the first action and then isolation by area to detect, contain and control the spread of the virus until that population acquires higher levels of immunity.


Pretty much.

To avoid complete chaos, one has to control it by reducing human-to-human interactions.
Macro-level: closing borders (or controlling influx). Giving national jurisdiction a fair chance to deal with its own problem
Micro-level: strict quarantine for those contaminated, voluntary isolation for all others

The recovery will still be long and painful.

Personally I live under this regime already. Working from home, schools are closed. The only contact we have with others are when we need to go to the shops. Those visits we do late at night when shops are almost empty. It's considered the only risk we are exposed to.

I am lucky to have a job that hardly will be affected by this crisis (at least that is how I see it today), but lots of people are worrying, in particular musicians, restaurant owners, in general most in service trades.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:47 am

If and when the Coronavirus becomes an pandemic of colossal proportion that will be like aftermaths of a nuclear WWIII, then the only importance remain would be for the human race to survive, in which case, we need to forget about money, business, rent, mortgages, bills and so on, and remain at home until it is safe to go out again. Survival of the strongest will once again become true in the natural selection on Darwin’s theory.

Let’s hope we are long way off from such a calamity.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby B25 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:51 am

... I need to stock up on ammo when the shit really hits the fan.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:04 pm

B25 wrote:... I need to stock up on ammo when the shit really hits the fan.

Yes, extra ammo could push “the survival of the strongest” in your favour should others come to steal your food and toilet papers from you. :wink:
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:20 pm

Kikapu wrote:
B25 wrote:... I need to stock up on ammo when the shit really hits the fan.

Yes, extra ammo could push “the survival of the strongest” in your favour should others come to steal your food and toilet papers from you. :wink:


I have a cross-bow and 11 bolts! I lost one bolt when I tested it some years ago. :roll: :lol: Awesome weapon at close range .... say 15-20m. 8)

My theory is that I need only to bring down one opponent with a rifle and my fire power increases instantly. Let's hope I never have to put that theory into practice? :?
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby CrookedRiverGuy » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:33 pm

Kikapu wrote:
B25 wrote:... I need to stock up on ammo when the shit really hits the fan.

Yes, extra ammo could push “the survival of the strongest” in your favour should others come to steal your food and toilet papers from you. :wink:



Well, as long as B25 has the right priorities:

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