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[Londonrake]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-of-covid

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[Kikapu]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/04/fit-and-healthy-man-42-from-southport-who-rejected-vaccine-dies-of-covid

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Yes, we all sometimes fool ourselves in thinking we are superhuman, that we can deal with anything thrown at us just because we believe to be super fit. The truth is, we all have some weaknesses in our bodies that we may not even know about which the virus can attack and overwhelm certain organs to cause a system shutdown and then the “lights are out”!

[Lordo]

Its not his fault. BoZo said from the begining that only people with health problems were affected. So it was easy to conclude that healthy people do not die from it.

[Paphitis]

Well, the Australian Government just released information from The Doherty insttute which advises them on the pandemic.

The vaccination target is 70%, in the short term, then eventually 80%

At 70%, lock downs will be largely a thing of the past, and at 80%, there will be no lock downs. They will let it rip.

Now I don't know how they came up with these figures but they said at a press conference that at 70%, 2000 Australians will die from COVD in the first 12 months, and at 80%, 1,387 Australians will die.

That is more death than we have ever had in the past, but apparently this is their metric of what to expect when they "let it rip". The vaccination process is the backbone of getting back to normal.

They are going to start to let it rip at 70% and at 80% there will be no more lockdowns at all we are being told. That's if we can get to 80%...

This death rate is still lower than the average flu death rate in Australia - which in the 12 months prior to COVID, claimed 3500 lives.

It's the first time any Australian Government has said they are prepared to live with some death caused by COVID. The end game goal is to open up and live with COVID after 80% vaccination levels.

[Paphitis]

Well, we have our own version of Senator Rand Paul asking difficult questions here as well.

The whole Government is ducking and weaving for cover.

It seems that The Australian Governments CSIRO has maid cash grant payments to the Institute of Virology in Wuhan which includes “gain of function” transmissibility research into SARS-Cov19.

We are still waiting to receive information from Freedom of Information requests but the evidence suggest that CSIRO did have a collaborative partnership with the Chinese Institute of Virology in Wuhan.

The CSIRO was cited on many research papers into the “gain of function” research.

I dare say that many more countries were also involved.

Important to bear in mind that in both the US and Australia, “gain of function” research is not illegal and is in fact important research for the spread and control of disease.

There are many labs that undertake such research in both countries but none associated with Covid other than the Chinese Institute of Virology.

The issue seems to revolve on the fact that our Governments were involved in funding of the Institute and perhaps even collaborating with the Chinese and trying to cover it up.

Interesting times.

[Kikapu]

I believe the Aussie government is going to use a very handed tactics to get 70%-80% Australians to vaccinate after more or less being dismissal of the vaccination for the last year or so. It may be too late for the Aussies as their mindset has been made up not to vaccinate thanks to their government.

So what are the tactics the government going to use?

Threatening people of not being able to travel abroad?
Threatening people of losing their jobs and livelihood?
They will be under constant lockdown in their homes until vaccinated?
No visitors of family and friends who are not vaccinated?
And....and....and!

[Paphitis]

I believe the Aussie government is going to use a very handed tactics to get 70%-80% Australians to vaccinate after more or less being dismissal of the vaccination for the last year or so. It may be too late for the Aussies as their mindset has been made up not to vaccinate thanks to their government.

So what are the tactics the government going to use?

Threatening people of not being able to travel abroad?
Threatening people of losing their jobs and livelihood?
They will be under constant lockdown in their homes until vaccinated?
No visitors of family and friends who are not vaccinated?
And....and....and!

The Federal Government has always been pro vaccine and vaccination.

But they did mishandle the entire process. They paid 2 billion to Aztrazeneca to get access to the vaccine early which did occur. But all the eggs were in one basket. They should have done the same with Pfizer, Moderna and J&J. They are doing that now.

The conflicting messages seem to come from the other State Governments who were playing politics against the Feds.

And whilst the Feds have always been very pro vaccine, there were 2 Government Agencies who have been doing their job very well in informing the people, and protecting us - they are the ATAGI Government Advisory group and the Pharmaceutical watchdog known as TGA. These Government bodies also have a lot of autonomous power within their realm of responsibility and they have never strayed from that one bit.

In the end, the Feds have been very careful to not play the game you allude to but right now they don't even have to. Right now, 200,000 vaccines are administered daily, and there is so much demand you can't even get an appointment within 3 weeks. They seem to be happy with their progress and current speed.

Once the vaccine willing numbers dwindle as we get passed the 60% vaccination mark, is where it gets interesting. That's when the true problem of hesitancy will hit them. But they will get passed 60% easily. Got a good chance of getting to 70% even. Getting to 80% is going to be a struggle.

But that's when the Feds will let it rip. And they have modelling that tells them around 2000 Aussies will die every year with 70% vaccinated. Which seems to suggest that is now acceptable to them. In other words, they won't care too much if people die because they are unvaccinated.

[repulsewarrior]

...only Chile escapes the tragedy; 80% fully vaccinated.

[Kikapu]

I have been in southern France since Tuesday with my wife to once again enjoy the Ardèche region along with the planned 34km canoeing down the river Ardèche on Sunday, which will take about 8-9 hours with stops for snacks and swim along the way at our own pace. The place is packed, but the water levels on the river is fairly low.

We have been enjoying the food and the wine. However, I read this morning that as of next a Monday, ALL restaurants and coffee places which seats more than 50 people, regardless inside our outside, customers would need to show their vaccination certificates to be seated and served. We are departing on Tuesday driving back to Switzerland, though we are fully vaccinated. So, it is going to happen everywhere gradually that no vaccination, no service or perhaps no vaccination, no job.

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[Lordo]

I have been in southern France since Tuesday with my wife to once again enjoy the Ardèche region along with the planned 34km canoeing down the river Ardèche on Sunday, which will take about 8-9 hours with stops for snacks and swim along the way at our own pace. The place is packed, but the water levels on the river is fairly low.

We have been enjoying the food and the wine. However, I read this morning that as of next a Monday, ALL restaurants and coffee places which seats more than 50 people, regardless inside our outside, customers would need to show their vaccination certificates to be seated and served. We are departing on Tuesday driving back to Switzerland, though we are fully vaccinated. So, it is going to happen everywhere gradually that no vaccination, no service or perhaps no vaccination, no job.

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It does no make sense since even if you are vaccinated you are still able to catch it and spread it. I don't think vaccination in any way reduces one's ability to catch or spread it. It just reduces its severity depending on your health and genetics. So perhaps this is evolution in operation weeding out stupidity and weak genes out of humanity.