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Re: Get Real: set up a new Home Network and got questions

Postby Get Real! » Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:52 pm

Paphitis, for a single floor quick & dirty network those PoEs are good, but if it’s more than one floor and you need a lot of access points then the PoEs are too expensive, inefficient, and a very bad idea.

It would’ve cost you less to hire a structured cabling guy to properly install CAT6 cables/points throughout the house.

What you’ve done here is an expensive and inefficient monstrosity. :?

You should've started this thread BEFORE you started spending money... :(
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Re: Get Real: set up a new Home Network and got questions

Postby MR-from-NG » Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:18 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:Looking at the first image...

If this is a two-story house then you shouldn't have gone for PoEs... you should've had CAT6 cabling and outlets installed throughout.

If it's not a two-story house then what on Earth are those huge white boxes hanging on the ceiling? :)


I got outlets in every room with Cat 5 through a TP Link. but really will only use outlets for fixed point desktops, Smart Tvs and Home Theatre.

Everything else is wireless in our house.

That room is the new office on the second storey. Next to that is the theatre.

Re gamodon gollosu. Your parents has sore arse from riding donkeys in Baf and now you talk about home theatre? You spoilt prick, I bet its just a shitty surround sound system with a wall mounted flat screen TV with couple of sofas in a dusty room :lol: :lol:


8K projector onto a retracting screen, With roof and wall mounted surround sound, Blu Ray, BOSE Sound System. woofers and an amplifier system that is guaranteed to have the neighbors call the police. 8)

Real cinema style leather seats, bean bags for the kids, oh and a tread mill behind them. :lol:

Also a little kitchenette and bar and a bathroom and shower next to the office.

I am being told to paint the walls a very dark colour, but I am not keen on that. House is being painted white and I hate dark rooms. And installing carpet up there gtoo. Rest of the house is wooden floor boards. :?

No pop corn machine and no Ice cream fridge? Fucking cheapskate :lol: :lol:
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Re: Get Real: set up a new Home Network and got questions

Postby Paphitis » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:04 pm

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Paphitis wrote:The reason why I did the cabinet is to house everything in the one spot and to correctly and neatly arrange all my cabling and fix the spaghetti of cable I had everywhere.

With CCTV, TP Link/Fixed cabling, Weather Station, and now unifi Switch/Controller and Router, I had a lot of cables so it made sense to get organized. Plus the Amplifier is going in and some kind of UPS and Fan system.

After that, I am going to work out how to install a CBUS and automate the entire house. Automated lights, music, and whatever else I can think I can automate. if I can automate the toilet flush then I am going to figure it out. 8) :lol:



I can't help but think you've over-engineered this...

I have two houses in Pissouri with Mesh Networks (one Google, one Deco), they work brilliantly....

One of the houses (the Google Mesh WiFi one) is fully automated using Google Home devices and SwitchBots to control IR only units (the air conditioners). It is 95% wireless with just the Kyocera printer and QNAP NAS attached via cables to one of the Google Mesh WiFi devices... I can use voice (in every room) to control the heating, cooling, music streaming, video, air conditioners, ceiling fans and of course the lighting... :D

Almost everything is wireless (2.4 and 5GHz) including streamed music, video and the security cameras.... :wink:


I will need to speak to you about the automation stuff. Don’t know where to start yet.

I’m after voice activation for things like lights, music steaming. Video, hearing and cooling so need to work out the best way to achieve this.

What do you mean by over engineering? Too many Access Points? Or the hardwire network that is hardly being used?

I went for the over kill as far as access pin to are concerned, the whole house is pretty well covered with 5 bar coverage, including front yard, and back yard.
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Re: Get Real: set up a new Home Network and got questions

Postby Paphitis » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:11 pm

Get Real! wrote:Paphitis, for a single floor quick & dirty network those PoEs are good, but if it’s more than one floor and you need a lot of access points then the PoEs are too expensive, inefficient, and a very bad idea.

It would’ve cost you less to hire a structured cabling guy to properly install CAT6 cables/points throughout the house.

What you’ve done here is an expensive and inefficient monstrosity. :?

You should've started this thread BEFORE you started spending money... :(


All the Access Points are in the first floor. Upstairs there are really only 2 rooms. An office, and a massive theatre room. There is also a bathroom and shower up there, and a kitchenette and bar but that is in the large theatre room. That’s all there is.

In the office is where the IT Cabinet is. The Router is in there as well as everything else. The Access Points and mesh points are all downstairs.

I did it this way because the entire area upstairs gets full on 2.4G and 5G from the router alone. So I decided I didn’t need access points upstairs.

I decided to do access points because I enclosed the router in a metal IT Cabinet. The first access point is in the hallway downstairs in the middle of the house, one in the entrance and one at the back as you go to the alfresco. Also an outdoor mesh at the back and one at the front but these are wireless. Plug and play.

I was going to put only 1 or 2 Access points and that just to ensure I get good wifi, but then decided to build a proper network. So I got the extra APS and Mesh points.
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Re: Get Real: set up a new Home Network and got questions

Postby Paphitis » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:24 pm

MR-from-NG wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Looking at the first image...

If this is a two-story house then you shouldn't have gone for PoEs... you should've had CAT6 cabling and outlets installed throughout.

If it's not a two-story house then what on Earth are those huge white boxes hanging on the ceiling? :)


I got outlets in every room with Cat 5 through a TP Link. but really will only use outlets for fixed point desktops, Smart Tvs and Home Theatre.

Everything else is wireless in our house.

That room is the new office on the second storey. Next to that is the theatre.

Re gamodon gollosu. Your parents has sore arse from riding donkeys in Baf and now you talk about home theatre? You spoilt prick, I bet its just a shitty surround sound system with a wall mounted flat screen TV with couple of sofas in a dusty room :lol: :lol:


8K projector onto a retracting screen, With roof and wall mounted surround sound, Blu Ray, BOSE Sound System. woofers and an amplifier system that is guaranteed to have the neighbors call the police. 8)

Real cinema style leather seats, bean bags for the kids, oh and a tread mill behind them. :lol:

Also a little kitchenette and bar and a bathroom and shower next to the office.

I am being told to paint the walls a very dark colour, but I am not keen on that. House is being painted white and I hate dark rooms. And installing carpet up there gtoo. Rest of the house is wooden floor boards. :?

No pop corn machine and no Ice cream fridge? Fucking cheapskate :lol: :lol:


Yes there is a popcorn machine as well. :lol:

And bar fridges and a vintec wine cabinet. :lol:
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Re: Get Real: set up a new Home Network and got questions

Postby Paphitis » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:29 pm

Get Real! wrote:Paphitis, for a single floor quick & dirty network those PoEs are good, but if it’s more than one floor and you need a lot of access points then the PoEs are too expensive, inefficient, and a very bad idea.

It would’ve cost you less to hire a structured cabling guy to properly install CAT6 cables/points throughout the house.

What you’ve done here is an expensive and inefficient monstrosity. :?

You should've started this thread BEFORE you started spending money... :(


I got 16 hardwire points but when these were done, I think only cat 5 was available. Out of the 16 points I only use 3. One for a desktop and 2 Smart TVs.

The 4th will be the theatre.

Plus I don’t really need to use hardwire because if I connected to wifi with the smart TVs I get really good speed and no hanging at all.

What would I gain by recabling with cat 6? I can recable it myself. All the outlets are in place, all I need to do is feed the new cables which is easy because all I do is cable tie the new cat 6 cable to the old cables in the wall, then go in the roof and pull it through. Is it worthwhile?
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Re: Get Real: set up a new Home Network and got questions

Postby cyprusgrump » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:58 am

Paphitis wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The reason why I did the cabinet is to house everything in the one spot and to correctly and neatly arrange all my cabling and fix the spaghetti of cable I had everywhere.

With CCTV, TP Link/Fixed cabling, Weather Station, and now unifi Switch/Controller and Router, I had a lot of cables so it made sense to get organized. Plus the Amplifier is going in and some kind of UPS and Fan system.

After that, I am going to work out how to install a CBUS and automate the entire house. Automated lights, music, and whatever else I can think I can automate. if I can automate the toilet flush then I am going to figure it out. 8) :lol:



I can't help but think you've over-engineered this...

I have two houses in Pissouri with Mesh Networks (one Google, one Deco), they work brilliantly....

One of the houses (the Google Mesh WiFi one) is fully automated using Google Home devices and SwitchBots to control IR only units (the air conditioners). It is 95% wireless with just the Kyocera printer and QNAP NAS attached via cables to one of the Google Mesh WiFi devices... I can use voice (in every room) to control the heating, cooling, music streaming, video, air conditioners, ceiling fans and of course the lighting... :D

Almost everything is wireless (2.4 and 5GHz) including streamed music, video and the security cameras.... :wink:


I will need to speak to you about the automation stuff. Don’t know where to start yet.

I’m after voice activation for things like lights, music steaming. Video, hearing and cooling so need to work out the best way to achieve this.

What do you mean by over engineering? Too many Access Points? Or the hardwire network that is hardly being used?

I went for the over kill as far as access pin to are concerned, the whole house is pretty well covered with 5 bar coverage, including front yard, and back yard.



Happy to talk to you about automation - not an expert but I enjoy playing with tech and have everything running now - even tell the RoboVac to clean the apartment! :lol:

When I built the first place in Pissouri in 2003 WiFi was pretty crap so I hard wired CAT5 in every room back to a network switch in the basement. Then I added WiFi access points in various positions much as you have.

With this new mesh WiFi tho you don't need all of the cables, you connect one of the units to The Interwebz and just plug the others in around the house. They have a couple (generally) of CAT5 sockets on them so you can hard-wire things locally.

They all have the same SSID too so you can walk around the entire house on a WhatsApp call with perfect signal quality.

The only issue I found was that both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz signals have the same SSID. So if you are trying to configure a device that only supports 2.4GHz and your phone defaults to 5GHz they can't 'see' each other. You have to either walk up the road until the 5GHz drops out and your phone switches to 2.4GHz (not practical) or do as I did and dig out an old phone that only supports 2.4GHz. That has only been an issue on one device but it took some figuring out!
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Re: Get Real: set up a new Home Network and got questions

Postby Londonrake » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:30 am

This is a fascinating thread. I need to get more into the automation side. Although, CG, you know when Skynet takes over, all that stuff’s going to come after you in your sleep. Led of course by Robovac. :shock:

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Re: Get Real: set up a new Home Network and got questions

Postby cyprusgrump » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:36 am

Londonrake wrote:This is a fascinating thread. I need to get more into the automation side. Although, CG, you know when Skynet takes over, all that stuff’s going to come after you in your sleep. Led of course by Robovac. :shock:

Posted from my billion dollar, neural-net 2012 iPad. :(



:shock: :shock: :shock:

* Unplugs RoboVac *

It is fascinating stuff and if I'm honest a little addictive... :oops:

It is annoying though that with all the clever stuff going on the thing that people comment on most frequently is the music in the bathroom... :roll:
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Re: Get Real: set up a new Home Network and got questions

Postby Paphitis » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:50 am

cyprusgrump wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The reason why I did the cabinet is to house everything in the one spot and to correctly and neatly arrange all my cabling and fix the spaghetti of cable I had everywhere.

With CCTV, TP Link/Fixed cabling, Weather Station, and now unifi Switch/Controller and Router, I had a lot of cables so it made sense to get organized. Plus the Amplifier is going in and some kind of UPS and Fan system.

After that, I am going to work out how to install a CBUS and automate the entire house. Automated lights, music, and whatever else I can think I can automate. if I can automate the toilet flush then I am going to figure it out. 8) :lol:



I can't help but think you've over-engineered this...

I have two houses in Pissouri with Mesh Networks (one Google, one Deco), they work brilliantly....

One of the houses (the Google Mesh WiFi one) is fully automated using Google Home devices and SwitchBots to control IR only units (the air conditioners). It is 95% wireless with just the Kyocera printer and QNAP NAS attached via cables to one of the Google Mesh WiFi devices... I can use voice (in every room) to control the heating, cooling, music streaming, video, air conditioners, ceiling fans and of course the lighting... :D

Almost everything is wireless (2.4 and 5GHz) including streamed music, video and the security cameras.... :wink:


I will need to speak to you about the automation stuff. Don’t know where to start yet.

I’m after voice activation for things like lights, music steaming. Video, hearing and cooling so need to work out the best way to achieve this.

What do you mean by over engineering? Too many Access Points? Or the hardwire network that is hardly being used?

I went for the over kill as far as access pin to are concerned, the whole house is pretty well covered with 5 bar coverage, including front yard, and back yard.



Happy to talk to you about automation - not an expert but I enjoy playing with tech and have everything running now - even tell the RoboVac to clean the apartment! :lol:

When I built the first place in Pissouri in 2003 WiFi was pretty crap so I hard wired CAT5 in every room back to a network switch in the basement. Then I added WiFi access points in various positions much as you have.

With this new mesh WiFi tho you don't need all of the cables, you connect one of the units to The Interwebz and just plug the others in around the house. They have a couple (generally) of CAT5 sockets on them so you can hard-wire things locally.

They all have the same SSID too so you can walk around the entire house on a WhatsApp call with perfect signal quality.

The only issue I found was that both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz signals have the same SSID. So if you are trying to configure a device that only supports 2.4GHz and your phone defaults to 5GHz they can't 'see' each other. You have to either walk up the road until the 5GHz drops out and your phone switches to 2.4GHz (not practical) or do as I did and dig out an old phone that only supports 2.4GHz. That has only been an issue on one device but it took some figuring out!


That's a relief. I got Cat 85 cabling to hard wired wall sockets in every room. That was done a few years ago when I extended.

So basically. I have done exactly what you have done. I have kept hard wired and a router with 3 Access Points and 2 mesh points. The Access points are hard wired, into a switch which is wired into the Router and the Router is hooked up to the Broadband Network (NBN down here). The mesh points are stand alone units working off the wifi. I think they piggy back or connect to the nearest and strongest Access point.

Everything is working. But I can't get it to roam between Access Points and Router. I also haven't combined the 2.4 G and 5G which is recommended. And I need to make sure all SSIDs and passwords are the same. I know the passwords are but haven't checked the SSIDs yet.

Once I can get it to roam to the ASUS Router, then I am happy. Also got to turn off the firewall. All on the to do list.

Yes I am certainly going to want to speak to you about automation. I want to basically set it up myself to do as much as possible. 8)
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