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[Piratis]

By the way, there are already some 100s of GCs still living in the occupied areas that didn't leave during the invasion. They used to be some 1000s but most of them left because living under occupation is not easy.

If you dream that by increasing the number of the GCs that live in the occupied areas by some 100s will change the status of the illegal Turkish puppet state you are dreaming. You are also dreaming if you think GCs will go en mass to live the puppet state called "TRNC".

Sorry, but your proposal is worthless even for the Turkish propaganda. Believe me, Turkey and some TCs have been thinking for ages of how to legalize their puppet state and they failed. You think that you would come from the sky and offer the solution to them?

[bg_turk]

This is a unilateral action plan whose eventual aim is partition.

Previous administrations have not taken any such actions because of their strong nationalism and inability to come into terms with teh fact that GCs will have to eventually return in order for the TRNC to be recognized in its current form, and the current administration is not taking any such steps because its ultimate aim is not partition, it is waiting for the property issue to be settled as part of a comprehensive solution.

If this plan is followed, the property issue will be effectively solved, and the Cyprus Problem will be gone. Your main leverage, the ECHR, will be lost, and your position in the EU will be significantly eroded. You will not be able to use "illegal exploitation" of properties as a justification for the continuing isolation of the TRNC.

In fact in my eyes the very position you adopt is against human rights. You are asking the TRNC not to return the proprties of GCs in the hope of using this human rights abuse as a leverage to press your political demands.

[Sotos]

This is a unilateral action plan whose eventual aim is partition.

If there was a unilateral action to achieve partition Dectash would have done it long time ago. bg_turk, no solution can come unilaterally. Partition can not be the solution. Like enosis could not be the solution. The nationalists should finally compromise their views or be pushed in the corner if we want to find a solution!

[cypezokyli]

sotos are you implying that those asking partition (both gcs and tcs) or enosis (only gcs), or both, are nationalists?

[bg_turk]

Ok, I know GCs will not accept this solution. It is futile to argue about this solutoin. That is why I said this will be unilateral actions by the TRNC, not agreed with the administration of the South. Lets just assume that the TRNC takes these actions.

Do you think GCs will return to the TRNC if they are guaranteed fair treatment?

Would they start a civil war in the TRNC in order to join the RoC?

Is there enough land in the TRNC to deal with the influx of GCs?

What would be the position of the TCs millitary on the issue?

How would GCs feel in living in a mainly turkish environment?

[Simon]

Do you think GCs will return to the TRNC if they are guaranteed fair treatment?

Some will, but I suspect the majority will not.

Would they start a civil war in the TRNC in order to join the RoC?

It is possible, although if Turkish forces were still there, it is unlikely.

Is there enough land in the TRNC to deal with the influx of GCs?

Depends how many go back.

What would be the position of the TCs millitary on the issue?

Who knows?

How would GCs feel in living in a mainly turkish environment?

I suspect most would feel resentment, as the island is the RoC, not the TRNC and no matter what you say, they would feel like foreigners in their own island.

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

Obviously we cant get on, you compare Turks to Nazi's, foam at the mouth when the suject of wether we should be entitled to rights emerges.

Worse

Simon
Becoming foreigners in their own country, that's what! GCs returning to a TRNC? Never!

Well if there was a RoC it would have Turkish forces aswell lol, and mostly in the North, you make no sense.

Its obvious you cannot live together with Turks, I dont know why your complaining about two states, you dont realise that its what you actually want lol.

Tell me this, how many Greek Cypriots would be happy with Turks comming over in huge numbers, also taking back their land which they had 30 years ago (the most wealthy land), also buying up the market, all clustering together and living in their own areas, speaking their own language, building Mosques and all you guys waking up to the Ezan every morning Turks also have a higher birthrate.

What population of Greek Cypriots would be happy to share with Turks, honestly?

Be carefull what you wish for

[Simon]

Its obvious you cannot live together with Turks, I dont know why your complaining about two states, you dont realise that its what you actually want lol.

If you read my other thread, you would see that this is what I have proposed. But my idea is based on proportionality. An 80/20 split. Read it, it is under 'Let's just accept partition - for now.'

Well if there was a RoC it would have Turkish forces aswell lol, and mostly in the North, you make no sense.

It would not be an indepedent state in the north though would it? So they would not be foreigners in their own country.

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

Simon
If you read my other thread, you would see that this is what I have proposed. But my idea is based on proportionality. An 80/20 split. Read it, it is under 'Let's just accept partition - for now.'

80/20 split lol and you think anyone is going to agree with demographic figures taken from the 60's

Our population today isnt that much lower than yours

You dont seem to realise, majority of Turkish Cypriots today have grown up in a Turkish Cypriot environment, where they have come to love their state and they feel genuingly brave, tough and heroic. You dont understand the mentallity, we see if as, they tried to wipe us out since the 60's, they failed, Turkish Millitary stopped their plans, we fought for what we have and to stay alive. Then these same Junta types along with the EU carried on their attempts of annihalation of the Turks and turned this place into an Iraq or Iran for 30 years where apparently we didnt exist and then the ambargo's where they made the INNOCENT suffer, (ambargo's are the most cowardly or cowardly acts).

The only nation that helped us during this time was our Millet the Turks(Turkiye) so thre is alot of love there. So you should understand, due to these actions there is not alot of love for Greek Cyprus and what the innocent people have been put through, you think the Millitary of the officials suffered hell know, the average villager did remember that. Greek Cyprus could have one the hearts and minds of Turkish Cyprus but they took the opposite route against us Turkiye suffered for us aswell thats why I always respect them, they could have sold us out and said sorry guys its costing too much but they weathered the storm, had economic crisis and so many problems but never gave up and now their situation is also getting better.

Now we held out all this time, never bowed our head, never gave in to oppression against us and look at it now, Azerbaycan, Kirgizistan (Turk nations) now accept us and lift the ambargo's and the other 3 Turk nations are looking to take similar action. Brazil has liften Sanctions and has engaged in trade, Pakistan is along similar lines, Arab Gulf States are looking to start trade. EVEN U.SA AND UK are looking to do the same.

I mean we held out all this time and it just keeps getting better, the toughest times are over, Turkish Cyprus is being transformed just like Turkey and you guys dont realise it.

I actually from my heart love Turkish Cyprus and feel proud to be from there and most Turkish Cypriots I know feel the same. We dont have a tyranny, we can elect our leaders, we have our protection, we feel free and safe, we have more hope as we have seen the longer we hold out the more normalised relations will become.

While this is happening, all I see on these types of forum's is Greek Cypriots bickering among one another, attacking Turks and looking down on us.

I havent seen ONE logical argument which would make me think, RoC is better for our people then Trnc, sorry but this is the reality its time you understood it.

[Simon]

80/20 split lol and you think anyone is going to agree with demographic figures taken from the 60's

What you disagree with internationally recognised figures, that are seen as fact by everyone apart from Turkey. That is a surprise.

Our population today isnt that much lower than yours

Because you have brought over illegal settlers. They are not recognised under population figures. Your percentage is still 18%!!!!!