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[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

Simon
What you disagree with internationally recognised figures

Internationally we dont exist so the recognised figure is 0%

Simon
Your percentage is still 18%!!!!!

No its 0%

Carry on dreaming

[bg_turk]

If population was the only factor determining the size of a country, then China and not Russia would be the biggest country in the world.

[Simon]

Internationally we dont exist so the recognised figure is 0%

Oh my god you are so silly LOL. Look in any book, the TC population for Cyprus is 18%.

If population was the only factor determining the size of a country, then China and not Russia would be the biggest country in the world.

You bring up the most ridiculous analogies. These borders would have already been pre-determined, so you cannot just change them once your population grows. In Cyprus, your legal population is 18% and land ownership is around 16.5%. This should determine your size and nothing else.

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

Simon
Look in any book, the TC population for Cyprus is 18%

I have an Atlas right infront of me, I've got official websties open, for some reason a Country called TRNC is missing, we dont exist, our population if 0% as we dont exist, its logic man.

In 1960 Turks owned 35% of the wealthiest most prosperous land, do you have any intentions of returning it? of course not, I dont live in false hope, my families home was destroyed and razed to the ground, we are now safe in Turkish Cyprus with our new home this is enough for me, I'm not a greedy person, I dont want the world just a safe place for my family.

Oh, and didnt your parents ever tell you, dont believe everything you read in books

[Simon]

I have an Atlas right infront of me, I've got official websties open, for some reason a Country called TRNC is missing, we dont exist, our population if 0% as we dont exist, its logic man.

Who is talking about the TRNC? When did I say them??? I am talking about the TC population, which is recognised as 18%. The TRNC population is zero yes, because it doesn't exist, but the TC population in Cyprus is 18%. Surely this is not that hard to understand.

In 1960 Turks owned 35% of the wealthiest most prosperous land, do you have any intentions of returning it?

35%? Can you tell me where you got that from??

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

....massacres of the Turks by the Greek Cypriot community in December 1963, only three years after the island had gained its independence, which began 11 years of brutality against the Turks. During this period, Turks were hounded into ghettos, some only tent villages of refugees, squeezed into three percent of the island, whereas at independence they had owned 35 percent, some of it the richest farmlands. Now the Turks hold 37 percent, mostly uncultivable mountain and poor farmland. And the Greeks now want this, too......

"THE GENOCIDE FILES" by Harry Scott Gibbons

Check the records, I have, maybe you should there all there

Simon
Who is talking about the TRNC? When did I say them??? I am talking about the TC population, which is recognised as 18%

Recognised? where, in Turks are 18% of Greek Cyprus, WoW, now maybe you should realise that were not in the 60's Tc population is higher then your expectations.

[Simon]

We are going around in circles, so I'm going to tell you two facts.

1) The Republic of Cyprus legally represents all of Cyprus, where the TCs are an 18% minority. Forget the 'TRNC,' legally they do not exist. The true Cypriot citizens in the north are citizens of the RoC, this is why they make up 18%. Any illegal settlers you have brought since are not recognised because they are not citizens of the RoC.

2) You are only more than that now because of illegal settlers. Have your own state in the northern 20%, and you can do what you want with them.

Finally, you check the internationally recognised figures regarding land ownership. Indeed, they have been posted on this website a few times. They say TCs owned 16.5% of the land. Therefore, I will stick to the independent figures.

[Piratis]

I have an Atlas right infront of me, I've got official websties open, for some reason a Country called TRNC is missing, we dont exist, our population if 0% as we dont exist, its logic man.

Correct. No population exists in "trnc" because such thing does not exist. The 18% of TCs exist in RoC and most of them are in the currently illegally occupied part of RoC by Turkey.

In fact the figure of 18% refers to the period before 1974. Today many of those TCs have emigrated abroad, and the number of TCs in Cyprus is much less than 18%.

In 1960 Turks owned 35% of the wealthiest most prosperous land

Is it possible for you to make an argument by saying the truth? Then you complain that I call you brainwashed. How else did this lie get in your head apart from the worst Turkish propaganda?

Obviously we cant get on, you compare Turks to Nazi's, foam at the mouth when the subject of wether we should be entitled to rights emerges.

I am comparing the occupation of Europe by Nazis and the occupation of Cyprus by the Turkish army because they are both illegal occupations.
RoC is a sovereign country in the exact same way that France or Poland are.

As far as your rights, you have the rights of every other EU citizen. Your rights do not include the right to steal 1/3rd of the sovereign Republic of Cyprus, to perform ethnic cleansing, and to create pseudo states and call them "Turkish" on land that has as much right to be called "Turkish" as the whole country of Bulgaria.

No part of our country is Turkish. The whole Cyprus is Cypriot.

[Tony-4497]

80/20 split lol and you think anyone is going to agree with demographic figures taken from the 60's

I wonder which one is more of joke.. this statement or the proposal of this thread..

You boys can keep living in a fantasy world if you want to.. both of the above are in the spirit of Turkish statements that "the problem was solved in 74".. i.e. Turkey is big and hard and will keep what she has conquered..

What you fail to realise is that for the first time after 30 years it is now Turkey that NEEDS a solution. This solution will need to be fair and acceptable to GCs - otherwise it will be rejected as per the Annan plan.

A fair solution is a partition based on proportionality (i.e. 80/20) or a true unification in a unitary state.

You choose which one you want - you either live together with GCs or live separately by taking only your fair share of the land which is 20% max (which by the way should be also done for the Kurds in Turkey- if TC deserve a state so do the Kurds).

Any other solution would simply not be worth it for GCs - we would much rather keep the status quo and keep trying to take all of our land back in any way possible - AND keep you and Turkey outside the EU in the meantime.

[Simon]

You choose which one you want - you either live together with GCs or live separately by taking only your fair share of the land which is 20% max (which by the way should be also done for the Kurds in Turkey- if TC deserve a state so do the Kurds).

I completely agree with this.