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Re: Is there god

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:21 am

...vibes exist, so too consciousness, even at the atomic level, choice. Good vibes and bad vibes; everything, that matters/is matter, vibrates.

Your choice to join in such a collectivity is one of Grace, or not.

...godly for one God, or not.

You are mistaken Lordo, God, is, very personal.
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Re: Is there god

Postby Kikapu » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:13 am

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Kikapu wrote:Certain questions asked does not always have answers at the time the question is asked, but it does not mean an answer does not exist and that it can be answered at a different time.

Questions of God is a perfect example. :wink:

And there was me thinking you were a realist. You think after not having a single piece of evidence for the existance of god, one day we may have some evidence that god exist. It will take longer than pigs evolving to fly. But then again there has to be an advantage in nature for living things to evolve.

How can there be god when the starting point is hydrogen gas. And after 5 billion years we have what we have today and by all accounts in about 5 billion years time we wil burn back to being gas again.

But the best part is the belief that jesus died and came back to life again only to die soon after.

Even by today's medical standards doctors cannot decide whether a body is dead or alive. The question is when is the body dead? Is it when the heart stops or is it when the brain stops. And here we have people believing that it was possible for people to decide that a person died and came back to life again 2000 years ago. Don't start me on virgin birth. It is almost as believable as Rambo defeating the whole vietcong single handed.



Actually, I am a realist, but it does not mean I have all the answers and nor does anyone else for all the open questions which exists in the Universe on everything. I know for many, most of their God questions are answered by aligning themselves with religion or beliefs, which is why there are so many different religions and beliefs, and some in fact change their religions and beliefs to something else as they evolve and continue searching for the answers for their questions about God. I do not do any of that by trying to find the correct answer about God because the answer itself changes for many as time goes, so instead, I say that both God and Evolution (science) exists but I don’t have all the answers for either one either. We as individuals are in existence for only a blink of the eye in the grand scheme in the formation of the Universe(s), therefore, answers do exists to the questions, but we do not know them all yet, since time does not stand still, and since time is very precious to us all, use it well, live well and continue in passing on their genes, to which God is called out during. :wink:
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Re: Is there god

Postby Paphitis » Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:35 pm

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Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:I 'd like to ask a question:
Are the miracles witnessed today performed by deeply religious people (Christians, Islamists, Hindu, Budists) real or fake? E.g. Just touch a sick person, and heal him instantly.


They would be fake obviously.

It's all fake.



Replying to you to save time, but my reply applies to all 3 persons who commented.
No the vast majority, are/were not fake!!
I have great respect for Jesus too, and i beleive every miracle he did was true.
Yet I consider all religions nonsense and I don't follow any of them. They are more of social directions rathger than having anything to do with God.

So the question is, what did those deeply religious persons discover (without knowing) after extreme practice, devotion, prayers, and presumable help from God, to perform miracles? It's something for which Science is almost totally in the dark.

Although you may guess the answer, I won't give it to you ready on the plate.
You have to be open minded, show up as someone who has questions and wants to learn. Pretty soon you will find out there are people who will help. You won't find such answers on the internet....

NB. Caution: stay away from any organized group either religious/pseudo-religous/ paranormal and the like.


Science and supernatural are 2 seperate things.

Unfair to expect science to have explanations on supernatural themes. This is why religions like Christianity survive on faith. There are no scientific formulas, mathematical equaltions or explanations for the details of the New Testament or things like it.

But, I do remember that as a young kid, I did have the ability to Astral Travel. Now if you look that up, that is a state of mind where you can subconsiously leave your body and float over your body and fly over houses and power lines. Maybe that is where I got the flying bug.

Now, I can't explain to this day if they were dreams, or something else more supernatural. Opinions vary. But I have never been able to do this since childhood.

Now I am not saying at all that this is supernatural at all. I don't have any solid explanation for it. And yes, I can't explain it scientifically.

These are not the only incidents I have had as a child. I would also lay paralysed in bed with some entities around me - not sure if they were good or bad. And when I would Astral Travel, sometimes I felt I was being chased by them.

The question of God and the supernatural. I also remember a time when a very great power and comforter came into my world, on my invitation. And all I could feel was love and comfort, plus guidance and strength to get me out of a jam that nearly claimed my life. I'd like to think it was Mary. I could actually swear there was something or someone that joined me that day. Unmistakable feeling, and then having such clarity of thinking to do what I needed to do.

I guess I should go into a white coat. :lol:
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Re: Is there god

Postby Lordo » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:32 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Certain questions asked does not always have answers at the time the question is asked, but it does not mean an answer does not exist and that it can be answered at a different time.

Questions of God is a perfect example. :wink:

And there was me thinking you were a realist. You think after not having a single piece of evidence for the existance of god, one day we may have some evidence that god exist. It will take longer than pigs evolving to fly. But then again there has to be an advantage in nature for living things to evolve.

How can there be god when the starting point is hydrogen gas. And after 5 billion years we have what we have today and by all accounts in about 5 billion years time we wil burn back to being gas again.

But the best part is the belief that jesus died and came back to life again only to die soon after.

Even by today's medical standards doctors cannot decide whether a body is dead or alive. The question is when is the body dead? Is it when the heart stops or is it when the brain stops. And here we have people believing that it was possible for people to decide that a person died and came back to life again 2000 years ago. Don't start me on virgin birth. It is almost as believable as Rambo defeating the whole vietcong single handed.



Actually, I am a realist, but it does not mean I have all the answers and nor does anyone else for all the open questions which exists in the Universe on everything. I know for many, most of their God questions are answered by aligning themselves with religion or beliefs, which is why there are so many different religions and beliefs, and some in fact change their religions and beliefs to something else as they evolve and continue searching for the answers for their questions about God. I do not do any of that by trying to find the correct answer about God because the answer itself changes for many as time goes, so instead, I say that both God and Evolution (science) exists but I don’t have all the answers for either one either. We as individuals are in existence for only a blink of the eye in the grand scheme in the formation of the Universe(s), therefore, answers do exists to the questions, but we do not know them all yet, since time does not stand still, and since time is very precious to us all, use it well, live well and continue in passing on their genes, to which God is called out during. :wink:

Just a few hundred years ago we had no idea about evolution and everybody believed in god because if anybody dared to not agree was burnt at the stake by the church. We have since moved on. We know know that Earth was not built by god in 6 days but it has taken 5 billion years to get to thispoint in life. It is also now clearly visible as to how galaxies, stars and planets are formed. At this point we do not know where the gas is coming from to feed the expansion of the universe and no doubt in another few hundred years mankind will work that one out too. As to Evolution, it is now very clear how it takes place. There are two distink things driving it.
1. Is the male able to live long enough to be able to pass it genes to the next generation. The ones that are able to live longest pass their genes most which determines which way the young evolve. But of course first they must defeat all younger challengers. So the answer to that is your favourite subject - sex.
2. It is determined by the female of the species that determines who to have guess what sex with. And naturally the female will chose those males who live longest to mate with in order to produce fitter young.

So it really is not rockets science this evolution lark is driven by the environment and the female of the species.
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Re: Is there god

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:36 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Science and supernatural are 2 seperate things.

Unfair to expect science to have explanations on supernatural themes. This is why religions like Christianity survive on faith. There are no scientific formulas, mathematical equaltions or explanations for the details of the New Testament or things like it.

But, I do remember that as a young kid, I did have the ability to Astral Travel. Now if you look that up, that is a state of mind where you can subconsiously leave your body and float over your body and fly over houses and power lines. Maybe that is where I got the flying bug.

Now, I can't explain to this day if they were dreams, or something else more supernatural. Opinions vary. But I have never been able to do this since childhood.

Now I am not saying at all that this is supernatural at all. I don't have any solid explanation for it. And yes, I can't explain it scientifically.

These are not the only incidents I have had as a child. I would also lay paralysed in bed with some entities around me - not sure if they were good or bad. And when I would Astral Travel, sometimes I felt I was being chased by them.

The question of God and the supernatural. I also remember a time when a very great power and comforter came into my world, on my invitation. And all I could feel was love and comfort, plus guidance and strength to get me out of a jam that nearly claimed my life. I'd like to think it was Mary. I could actually swear there was something or someone that joined me that day. Unmistakable feeling, and then having such clarity of thinking to do what I needed to do.

I guess I should go into a white coat. :lol:



The problem with science is that it doesn’t accept the result of any experiment or real event unless it can be repeated over and over again without ever failing… At the very minimum Science can only accept a fact as truly scientific, if it can take measurements of known variables and watch them changing to achieve the final event.

Science can’t go far this way. It already got stuck at sub-atomic level where the laws of Physics don’t apply any more. Proceeded to Quantum Mechanics and theories upon theories starting from Heizenberg’s uncertainty principle….

The miracles of healing people however are real and verifiable. The person who performs them can’t repeat them over and over again on demand. He can only do them after e.g. praying for 3 days and nights without eating anything. The subject must be suitable of accepting the "blessing". And finally the healer thinks the miracle was done by "God".

Yet there are people who know the Scientific basis of miracles. Why are the Scientists afraid of starting with the basics? It’s not as simple as inventing gravity where Newton did all the work by himself. This is much more complicated and unless Scientists join forces nothing will happen.

I guess it’s better for them to work with theoretical models in finding all 100s of sub-atomic particles especially that damn Higg’s particle. They finally found it in 2012, so what’s next?

Actually there’s absolute Scientific denial even for telekinesis which is one of the simplest "miracles" applied on objects -not living beings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychokin ... te_note-28

Yet I witnessed it myself done by a person for the first time in his life.
He was an 18 year old soldier who while we were sitting having nothing to do at a military excercise, he said that someone told him that if he concentrates on something he could make it move without touching.
It was small talk actually, nobody took it seriously even himself. Having nothing to do he started looking at a pencil on the table. After about 10 minutes he jumped up pale and trembling from fear when the pencil started spinning very fast like the propeller of a hellicopter. We all saw that, it lasted for some 10 seconds. The guy thought he was possesed by demons, and what happened was satanic. He became a very religious person after that….
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Re: Is there god

Postby Lordo » Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:09 am

Pyrpo, I can see you are no scientist. Science does not work as you suggestedm far from it. Most scientific theory has exce[tions added to it if it is found not to work under some such conditiond.

Any scientific experiment has to be carried out using the placibo in the experiment. It is then that you begin to relaise if your theory does work or is it just a coinsidence.

There is no evidence that anybody has ever performed any mirracle never mind have to repeat it.
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Re: Is there god

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:16 am

Lordo wrote:Pyrpo, I can see you are no scientist. Science does not work as you suggestedm far from it. Most scientific theory has exce[tions added to it if it is found not to work under some such conditiond.

Any scientific experiment has to be carried out using the placibo in the experiment. It is then that you begin to relaise if your theory does work or is it just a coinsidence.

There is no evidence that anybody has ever performed any mirracle never mind have to repeat it.


No i am an Engineer which is considered a Science.

Science uses assumptions to built theories. Often there's no way to evify the theory with n experiment. E.g. The assumption today is that the Universe has more Dark energy floating around in space than it has matter and other types of Energy. (Notice that matter and Energy is the same thing, and convertible to and from using Einstein's E=m*C^2)
Where's the experiment to prove the existence of Dark Energy?
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Re: Is there god

Postby Lordo » Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:52 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:Pyrpo, I can see you are no scientist. Science does not work as you suggestedm far from it. Most scientific theory has exce[tions added to it if it is found not to work under some such conditiond.

Any scientific experiment has to be carried out using the placibo in the experiment. It is then that you begin to relaise if your theory does work or is it just a coinsidence.

There is no evidence that anybody has ever performed any mirracle never mind have to repeat it.


No i am an Engineer which is considered a Science.

Science uses assumptions to built theories. Often there's no way to evify the theory with n experiment. E.g. The assumption today is that the Universe has more Dark energy floating around in space than it has matter and other types of Energy. (Notice that matter and Energy is the same thing, and convertible to and from using Einstein's E=m*C^2)
Where's the experiment to prove the existence of Dark Energy?

Just a few years ago we were unable to tell if a distant stars had a planets around them and now we can. How much dark matter there is and how to identify it may not be possible now, but mankind being what it is will find a way do identify it and measure it.

We have come a long way in the last few hundred years and the advancement is increasing as the techonoly we use is getting more powerful.Just recently they have been able to see beyond the blackhole and light does escape it. If light escapes at the other end so does molecules.

All we can do is wonder and search and we shall find the answers.
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Re: Is there god

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