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Postby Lordo » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:08 pm

This will get you thinking.

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Re: Is there god

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:26 am

Nobody can doubt the existence of the God of our universe, anymore than they can doubt the Mazda-making factory... but what Carlin is debunking here is the notion of a PERSONAL GOD; as promoted by religion.

So your thread title is misleading as it should read: “Is God a personal God?”

A personal God is one that is accessible to Man via prayer, religious “agents”, prophets, saints, messiahs, etc.

But anyway, you’re not knowledgeable enough in this department to be starting threads of any value.

Of course, neither was Carlin but he never challenged the God of our universe, he challenged the God of the Bible.

Basically, religion is saying…

“Not only is God the master of our universe but he’s also authorized us (this religious establishment) to act as his exclusive agent!”

So as can be surmised that’s a very tall tale and leaves little wonder why myriads of people have turned against God.

So what religion has managed to do is to cloud the true identity and purpose of our God with self-serving manufactured mumbo-jumbo.

The truth of the matter is that the God of our universe does not appear to be contactable/negotiable... or trillions of prayers spanning 5 millenniums would not have fallen on deaf ears!
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Re: Is there god

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:56 am

Get Real! wrote:Nobody can doubt the existence of the God of our universe, anymore than they can doubt the Mazda-making factory... but what Carlin is debunking here is the notion of a PERSONAL GOD; as promoted by religion.

So your thread title is misleading as it should read: “Is God a personal God?”

A personal God is one that is accessible to Man via prayer, religious “agents”, prophets, saints, messiahs, etc.

But anyway, you’re not knowledgeable enough in this department to be starting threads of any value.

Of course, neither was Carlin but he never challenged the God of our universe, he challenged the God of the Bible.

Basically, religion is saying…

“Not only is God the master of our universe but he’s also authorized us (this religious establishment) to act as his exclusive agent!”

So as can be surmised that’s a very tall tale and leaves little wonder why myriads of people have turned against God.

So what religion has managed to do is to cloud the true identity and purpose of our God with self-serving manufactured mumbo-jumbo.

The truth of the matter is that the God of our universe does not appear to be contactable/negotiable... or trillions of prayers spanning 5 millenniums would not have fallen on deaf ears!


Sorry but you are delusional. The existence of God in any shape or interpretation, is very much in doubt and debatable.

What you should be saying is no one can be sure about his non existence, as even believers can't be sure he exists.

Those like you who say it's a given, are just either very strong in faith, deluded or are wishful thinking.

Either way, it just doesn't matter as believers or religions do not bother me. quite on the contrary I say and power to them for all the good they do in the world and comfort they provide to many.
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Re: Is there god

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:06 am

Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Nobody can doubt the existence of the God of our universe, anymore than they can doubt the Mazda-making factory... but what Carlin is debunking here is the notion of a PERSONAL GOD; as promoted by religion.

So your thread title is misleading as it should read: “Is God a personal God?”

A personal God is one that is accessible to Man via prayer, religious “agents”, prophets, saints, messiahs, etc.

But anyway, you’re not knowledgeable enough in this department to be starting threads of any value.

Of course, neither was Carlin but he never challenged the God of our universe, he challenged the God of the Bible.

Basically, religion is saying…

“Not only is God the master of our universe but he’s also authorized us (this religious establishment) to act as his exclusive agent!”

So as can be surmised that’s a very tall tale and leaves little wonder why myriads of people have turned against God.

So what religion has managed to do is to cloud the true identity and purpose of our God with self-serving manufactured mumbo-jumbo.

The truth of the matter is that the God of our universe does not appear to be contactable/negotiable... or trillions of prayers spanning 5 millenniums would not have fallen on deaf ears!


Sorry but you are delusional. The existence of God in any shape or interpretation, is very much in doubt and debatable.

What you should be saying is no one can be sure about his non existence, as even believers can't be sure he exists.

Those like you who say it's a given, are just either very strong in faith, deluded or are wishful thinking.

Either way, it just doesn't matter as believers or religions do not bother me. quite on the contrary I say and power to them for all the good they do in the world and comfort they provide to many.

None of what I post have anything to do with faith but common sense.

You’re either not reading it or just plain stupid.

Btw, you need common sense to understand my posts and that may well be the crux of your problem.
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Re: Is there god

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:16 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Nobody can doubt the existence of the God of our universe, anymore than they can doubt the Mazda-making factory... but what Carlin is debunking here is the notion of a PERSONAL GOD; as promoted by religion.

So your thread title is misleading as it should read: “Is God a personal God?”

A personal God is one that is accessible to Man via prayer, religious “agents”, prophets, saints, messiahs, etc.

But anyway, you’re not knowledgeable enough in this department to be starting threads of any value.

Of course, neither was Carlin but he never challenged the God of our universe, he challenged the God of the Bible.

Basically, religion is saying…

“Not only is God the master of our universe but he’s also authorized us (this religious establishment) to act as his exclusive agent!”

So as can be surmised that’s a very tall tale and leaves little wonder why myriads of people have turned against God.

So what religion has managed to do is to cloud the true identity and purpose of our God with self-serving manufactured mumbo-jumbo.

The truth of the matter is that the God of our universe does not appear to be contactable/negotiable... or trillions of prayers spanning 5 millenniums would not have fallen on deaf ears!


Sorry but you are delusional. The existence of God in any shape or interpretation, is very much in doubt and debatable.

What you should be saying is no one can be sure about his non existence, as even believers can't be sure he exists.

Those like you who say it's a given, are just either very strong in faith, deluded or are wishful thinking.

Either way, it just doesn't matter as believers or religions do not bother me. quite on the contrary I say and power to them for all the good they do in the world and comfort they provide to many.

None of what I post have anything to do with faith but common sense.

You’re either not reading it or just plain stupid.

Btw, you need common sense to understand my posts and that may well be the crux of your problem.


Sorry, I must have not made myself very clear.

The existence of God is not a common sense, or scientific, or logical conclusion

Some like you may claim it to be, but the fact is, it's not.

Likewise, no scientist or human employing any logic or reason can categorically disporove the existence of God.
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Re: Is there god

Postby miltiades » Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:48 am

Science exists and almost all Humans use it daily. It needs no prayers no sacrifices , it's visible , audible and tangible. The same can not be said for this mythological creator that Moses told us in Genesis. Faith is nothing more than glorified blissful IGNORANCE. Man created out of ....dust ??? Presumably all living things must also have been created out of ....dust. what absolute crap. WAKE UP.. There is NO tooth fairy or father Christmas, all part and parcel of stone age medieval mythological scatology. By the way there is Paradise and it's right here in Cyprus :lol:
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Re: Is there god

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:45 am

Paphitis wrote:Sorry but you are delusional. The existence of God in any shape or interpretation, is very much in doubt and debatable.

What you should be saying is no one can be sure about his non existence, as even believers can't be sure he exists.

Those like you who say it's a given, are just either very strong in faith, deluded or are wishful thinking.

Either way, it just doesn't matter as believers or religions do not bother me. quite on the contrary I say and power to them for all the good they do in the world and comfort they provide to many.

The universe is God’s product that everyone can see and is obvious testimony of his existence.

This is perfect logic that anyone with half a brain can comprehend, but if you still don’t get it then I’m afraid the shortcoming is at YOUR END, because there are varying levels of common sense and you’re not exactly gifted!

You, Lordo and Miltiades all seem to possess the most basic level of common sense which should help you use doors instead of walking into walls, wear your underwear properly instead of on your heads, and perform other basic everyday tasks.

But that’s as far as your brains will take you... you have no capacity to reason, no capacity to analyze, no capacity to arrive at logical conclusions, no capacity to design & create, no capacity for anything other than your basic everyday needs like eat, drink, shit, piss and sleep.

You stopped learning at early adulthood and never progressed any further due to the way your brains are wired... capable only of basic survival skills and nothing else spectacular.

Unfortunately, there’s nothing you can do about it either... it’s like your stupidity has solidified like set concrete.

So that should explain why you are so hard at learning, have the sense of judgment of a toddler, and are so incapable of wise decision making.

I’ve seen birds (starlings even) that seem to have a higher IQ than the three of you put together, but what can you do... such is life.
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Re: Is there god

Postby miltiades » Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:20 am

Any one with just a smidgen of logic can see that the creation mythology is just medeival BULLSHIT. It seems that GR who uses science ie.computer, has too many cobwebs in this brain. Wake up , how can a man be created fr0m dust you silly fool.
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Re: Is there god

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:42 am

miltiades wrote:Any one with just a smidgen of logic can see that the creation mythology is just medeival BULLSHIT. It seems that GR who uses science ie.computer, has too many cobwebs in this brain. Wake up , how can a man be created fr0m dust you silly fool.

That’s the Bible God you are moaning about... even a six year old can find flaws in the bible, so take it up with your preacher.

Btw, search for “flaws in the bible” and you’ll find entire lists with flaws compiled by many authors so you can use in your debates to impress your friends instead of repeating the same old dust story over and over!
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Re: Is there god

Postby Lordo » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:34 am

Get Real! wrote:Nobody can doubt the existence of the God of our universe, anymore than they can doubt the Mazda-making factory... but what Carlin is debunking here is the notion of a PERSONAL GOD; as promoted by religion.

So your thread title is misleading as it should read: “Is God a personal God?”

A personal God is one that is accessible to Man via prayer, religious “agents”, prophets, saints, messiahs, etc.

But anyway, you’re not knowledgeable enough in this department to be starting threads of any value.

Of course, neither was Carlin but he never challenged the God of our universe, he challenged the God of the Bible.

Basically, religion is saying…

“Not only is God the master of our universe but he’s also authorized us (this religious establishment) to act as his exclusive agent!”

So as can be surmised that’s a very tall tale and leaves little wonder why myriads of people have turned against God.

So what religion has managed to do is to cloud the true identity and purpose of our God with self-serving manufactured mumbo-jumbo.

The truth of the matter is that the God of our universe does not appear to be contactable/negotiable... or trillions of prayers spanning 5 millenniums would not have fallen on deaf ears!

And here is the difference. Having seen the mazda in the car park we can then get to the factury and check it to see if indeed the car is being made there. Having seen the universe does exist we cannot check to see god.

In fact we are now able to observe the formation of stars and planets in the dust clouds of space and the praing force creating them is gravitational pull. You really are convusing Gravity with God. God was invented by the Encient peopke because garavity was not understood ubtill one day an apple fell on Newton's head and thet was it. it knocked some sense into Humanity.

A star is born when giant dust and gas clouds (hydrogen and helium) in space gravitate toward one another over hundreds of thousands of years, and it turns out to be stunning, inconceivably huge, and the lifeblood of the universe.

Thanks to most powerful telescope in the world, ALMA (Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array), we have the tech to photograph the will-be star called HL Tauri from 450 light years away. In other words, Earth is so far away that we can only see the light that emanated from this in 1564, the year Galileo was born. That time lapse is somewhat irrelevant considering HL Tauri has been in the making since before any human was born.

ALMA is composed of 66 large antennae, each of which can be placed miles apart from the next. The antennae gather different radio waves from far and wide and combine the data to compose one picture with enough detail to read a Justin Bieber indictment from 68.5 miles away.

HL Tauri shows us the exact process of star formation that scientists predicted. Like all things in space, gravity is the captain of this ship.

Gravity makes random gas and dust clump together in space. The pulling of matter sends everything into a perpetual spin, which speeds up until the cloud flattens like a disk, a protoplanetary disk. The more matter is compacted the hotter is gets.

This process will continue until it's hot enough for fusion, and that's when the star is born. Every element in the universe other than hydrogen and helium was created by stellar fusion.

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