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Re: Biden's lies or incompetence over Afghanistan

Postby Paphitis » Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:04 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:can somebody please remind me about who signed the deal with Taliban, set the schedule for the withdrawal and even stated that then Afghan Government was unable to support itself?

Mr Biden is just following on from what his immediate predecessor started.

I doubt the situation we are now seeing would have been better under trump, probably worse, and boy was trump brown-toungneing the taliban as has has done with so many who were inimical to the USA...


Trump but what isn't clear at all, is what Trump would have done when faced with the current fluid situation.

We can only predict what he would have done, and it is very doubtful he would have tolerated or have been as incompetent or soft as Biden has been in the way he has handled it, which has been catasrophic and diabolical not just for America and her allies, but thousands of Aghans who worked for the coalition and the general Afghan population at large.

Given trump's personality traits, and also from what he has been saying, we can only assume he would have redopleyed US Troops into Afghanistan to at atleast deal with ISIS K and maybe even provide the Afghan Security Forces with a renewed impetus. Trump would rather do that than lose any face or prestige. He is not the kind of submissive guy as Biden is to be able to tolerate the current situation.

Trump does not take losing very well at all. That is obvious.

Also, just because he signed or made a deal with the Taliban doesn't mean he would have kept to his side of the bargain when arriving at the point of knowing that the Afghan Security Forces were going to capitulate so easily. I believe at the time, Trump would not have believed that they would have capitulated so easily so that may also change the dynamic on what Trump would have done. He could have called off the withdrawal even. But the fact is, we won't know for sure what he would have done. All we know is that Biden is in office and can see with our eyes what he has done and how he handled the situation, which wasn't well at all.

I would be surprised if he survives as POTUS. He has literally, committed political suicide, resulting in new calls over his fitness to be POTUS.

So, sorry, but this is no defence for Biden. He literally screwed up badly.

I do believe however, that even Biden, will launch cruise missile attacks against ISIS K in the desert after the US Troops are withdrawn. There will have to be a military response of some kind to the ISIS K provocation. In what form, we don't know yet. But it can't go unanswered. We won't know because the US Troops are still on the ground and vulnerable. Not to mention many US citizens and workers.

America does owe that to ISIS K and to also re-establish some much needed credibility.
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Re: Biden's lies or incompetence over Afghanistan

Postby Paphitis » Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:24 pm

Lordo wrote:Even Trump who actually signed the deal is blaming Biden. Don't expect his idiotic supporters here to understand anything about what is going on.

What is more worrying is the fact that there are still 3 more days and BoZo has shut shop. So anybody unnable to get to the airport is being left behind. Especially as they have been telling people not to arrive at the airport.

Lunatics have taken over the world.


Biden is responsible.

Biden signed 150 executive orders to reverse Trump policies and his legacy, so why not do the same with this "deal" with the Taliban?

The reason is, he didn't want to. as a result, he made a conscious decision to do what he did and we see the results.

What we do not know, is what Trump would have done. But if I was a betting man, I bet trump would not tolerate the current situation quite like Biden.

This fell into Biden's watch and as a result, he is responsible and he needs to now respond to a terrorist attack against civilians and US Forces.

But will it be enough to survive, politically? probably not.

Biden has proven to be the dumbest fuck in US History.

Even the way he talks is so off key. He is literally senile.

The Afghan War is now entering a new phase of fighting for the next 20 years, with the Taliban, ISIS K and Northern Alliance fighting for control of Afghanistan. The Afghan People are going to suffer like never before.

The question is, is the Northern alliance strong enough so that the Americans can arm them and be a viable opposition to the Taliban, or will the Americans have to settle for the Taliban, if they are a lot more moderate than ISIS K.

There will still be an American finger in that pie. So we wait and see who will be a US proxy in this game. Northern Alliance or Taliban. Yes the Taliban.

This is the bed Biden made.
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Re: Biden's lies or incompetence over Afghanistan

Postby Maximus » Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:26 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:can somebody please remind me about who signed the deal with Taliban, set the schedule for the withdrawal and even stated that then Afghan Government was unable to support itself?

Mr Biden is just following on from what his immediate predecessor started.

I doubt the situation we are now seeing would have been better under trump, probably worse, and boy was trump brown-toungneing the taliban as has has done with so many who were inimical to the USA...


That is very good question STUD.

Let me see if I can provide a satisfactory answer for you.

The (Trump's) deal was that the US would withdraw from Afghanistan by the 1st of May.

IF

The Taliban negotiated a peace agreement with the Afghan government and IF they promised to prevented terrorist groups from using the country as a base.

We are now in August under Bidens watch.

Were or are both these conditions true?

I dont thinks so.

Then why did Biden withdraw from the country in August?
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Re: Biden's lies or incompetence over Afghanistan

Postby Kikapu » Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:31 pm

Maximus wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:can somebody please remind me about who signed the deal with Taliban, set the schedule for the withdrawal and even stated that then Afghan Government was unable to support itself?

Mr Biden is just following on from what his immediate predecessor started.

I doubt the situation we are now seeing would have been better under trump, probably worse, and boy was trump brown-toungneing the taliban as has has done with so many who were inimical to the USA...


That is very good question STUD.

Let me see if I can provide a satisfactory answer for you.

The (Trump's) deal was that the US would withdraw from Afghanistan by the 1st of May.

IF

The Taliban negotiated a peace agreement with the Afghan government and IF they promised to prevented terrorist groups from using the country as a base.

We are now in August under Bidens watch.

Were or are both these conditions true?

I dont thinks so.

Then why did Biden withdraw from the country in August?


According to reports, Trump negotiated with the Taliban directly without the Afghan government reps being in the room, so we don’t know what Trump really agreed to since he lies all the time. Another report stated that Trump destroyed most of the documents on those Afghans who were meant to leave when we pulled out, so now we don’t have clarity who is meant to leave because almost all the Afghans wants to leave.

Trump would have done the same to the Afghans who had helped us in Afghanistan as he did to the YPG Kurds in Syria, who left them at the mercy of Erdogan. Trump is a cold motherfucker and would have left his own mother behind, just as he left his legal team behind to fend for themselves now who had pushed his big lie on the election. Paphitis is delusional if he thinks Trump would have send Troops back into Afghanistan because of the recent attack by ISIS. Afghanistan was a mess before we got there and it is going to be a mess while we leave and a mess after we leave. That’s how it ends when we go to places we have no business going to in the first place. I understand all the political grandstanding by the Banana Republicans which is all part of the blame game. Welcome to American politics.
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Re: Biden's lies or incompetence over Afghanistan

Postby Maximus » Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:56 pm

The withdrawal agreement is pretty clear and the US's withdrawal was conditional.

Those conditions havent been met so why is Biden withdrawing?

If he was following Trumps deal, he shouldn't be withdrawing from Afghanistan

But it is August (not May) and those conditions havent been met so he is withdrawing for his own reasons.

the Dems are responsible,

but thing is;

The democrats were blaming Trump and republicans while Trump was president and they are now blaming Trump and republicans while Biden is president as well.

it is BS. :roll:
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Re: Biden's lies or incompetence over Afghanistan

Postby Kikapu » Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:06 pm

Maximus wrote:The withdrawal agreement is pretty clear and the US's withdrawal was conditional.

Those conditions havent been met so why is Biden withdrawing?

If he was following Trumps deal, he shouldn't be withdrawing from Afghanistan

But it is August (not May) and those conditions havent been met so he is withdrawing for his own reasons.

the Dems are responsible,

but thing is;

The democrats were blaming Trump and republicans while Trump was president and they are now blaming Trump and republicans while Biden is president as well.

it is BS. :roll:


Biden gave the Afghans additional 3 months to defend their own country which no doubt pissed the Taliban off big time. However, when the time came for us to leave, the Afghan President with millions of our dollars and his soldiers left first and the Taliban moved in. :roll:
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Re: Biden's lies or incompetence over Afghanistan

Postby Maximus » Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:11 pm

I agree that the outcome would probably have been the same,

The Afghan military was corrupt, and proven to be incompetent and the government wasnt fit for purpose. So it seems in hindsight.

The Taliban are untrustworthy as well.

But the Dems cant blame Trump for this.

Biden is responsible for the withdrawal as it is happening while he is commander in chief.
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Re: Biden's lies or incompetence over Afghanistan

Postby Lordo » Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:35 pm

Maximus wrote:I agree that the outcome would probably have been the same,

The Afghan military was corrupt, and proven to be incompetent and the government wasnt fit for purpose. So it seems in hindsight.

The Taliban are untrustworthy as well.

But the Dems cant blame Trump for this.

Biden is responsible for the withdrawal as it is happening while he is commander in chief.

You stupid idiot. It was Trump who changed the visa system which made it mire difficult for people from Muslim countries to travel to the USA. Trump would have pulled out just the Americans and leave the rest beging. Shit in shit out is what it is.
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Re: Biden's lies or incompetence over Afghanistan

Postby Maximus » Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:02 pm

why are you speculating about what Trump would have done when it is all about what is happening now under Biden.

Biden hasnt even pulled out the Americans, you idiot.
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Re: Biden's lies or incompetence over Afghanistan

Postby Kikapu » Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:15 pm

Maximus wrote:I agree that the outcome would probably have been the same,

The Afghan military was corrupt, and proven to be incompetent and the government wasnt fit for purpose. So it seems in hindsight.

The Taliban are untrustworthy as well.

But the Dems cant blame Trump for this.

Biden is responsible for the withdrawal as it is happening while he is commander in chief.


You cannot place blame on Biden since the outcome was destined to happen the way it did no matter who the president was. Why didn’t Trump pull our troops out during his watch? Oh, let me guess, because he didn’t want the same to happen to him on his watch. :roll:
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