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[Lordo]

More bullshit.

The essence of a comprehensive settlement to the Cyprus problem is practically there......... get it

Not theoretically but practically.

Then the UNSG must have been stupid in declaring an impasse

All these things you claim to have happened was it before or after Anastasiades got drunk and started shouting at the table.

What was the January all about when Anastasiades asked for a week delay and made his way to Athens, do talk about what? Or was he trying to claim half a doner from the Fatman?

More bull my friend.

The Grans Montana was in July 2017

Diplomats said Turkey had appeared to be offering little to Greek Cypriots wanting a full withdrawal of Turkish troops from the island, although the Greek Cypriots had indicated readiness to make concessions on Turkish Cypriot demands for a rotating presidency, the other key issue.

I like this one. But what it does not say is Anastasiades wanted full withdrawl from day one of the agreement.

Go complain to Reuters

He can go forth and furquine fornicate with himself

You too chief negotiator

Was the withdrawal of the TA not aslo asked for by Makarios in 1963? I wonder why, can you have a guess?

Was the withdrawal of the Greek forces not aslo asked for by Makarios in 1972? I wonder why, can you have a guess?

<< You would be very funny if this was not a very serious matter. After allowing 12000 Greek Soldiers and being forced by Turkey to remove them? It was not so much the soldiers it was the Guarantee Makarios wanted removed before 1963 because he was planning 1963 from before August 1960.

Especially as he brought in tanks and and all sorts against all UN resolution back in 1964.

You have the maturity of a 3 year old.

For an educated persaon you are incredibly ignorant about simple facts.

Guterres finally called a halt at 2 a.m. after a session marred by yelling and drama, a source close to the negotiations said.

Any idea who was doing the yelling?



BTW rotating Presidency was no demand, it was a right. How dare he pretend it was something he could give as a concession. Did he also not say a TC can never be a President of GCs.

He can go fuck himself

Whatever you say chief negotiator.

Bullshit is bullshit does baby.

So the words from the mouth of the UN GS is not really good enough. You are just not paying attention to the news as they develop.

And yes I happen to know somebody very close to Akinci personally and I also knw somebody very close to Talat too. Are you jelous.

Tnis new cove I have no connection to what so ever, nor did I have any with Eroglu or Dengtash. Although I knew people close to Dengtash it was not in a friendly manner so they would certainly not give me any info, not that it was necessary to find out what he was doing or any of the other UBP leaders for that matter.

[Pyrpolizer]

Bullshit is bullshit does baby.

So the words from the mouth of the UN GS is not really good enough.

The UNSG's report gives the impression that the talks at Crans Montana failed because of insignificant reasons. Only naive persons would beleive that. You are one of them.

You are just not paying attention to the news as they develop.

Huh??? Who just woke up regarding the British fancy ideas that go on from last May? Me or you?
Furthermore who is the one who thinks these new ideas would ever eradicate the reasons for failing at Crans Montana?


And yes I happen to know somebody very close to Akinci personally and I also knw somebody very close to Talat too. Are you jelous.
Tnis new cove I have no connection to what so ever, nor did I have any with Eroglu or Dengtash. Although I knew people close to Dengtash it was not in a friendly manner so they would certainly not give me any info, not that it was necessary to find out what he was doing or any of the other UBP leaders for that matter.

[Lordo]

Bullshit is bullshit does baby.

So the words from the mouth of the UN GS is not really good enough.

The UNSG's report gives the impression that the talks at Crans Montana failed because of insignificant reasons. Only naive persons would beleive that. You are one of them.

You are just not paying attention to the news as they develop.

Huh??? Who just woke up regarding the British fancy ideas that go on from last May? Me or you?
Furthermore who is the one who thinks these new ideas would ever eradicate the reasons for failing at Crans Montana?


And yes I happen to know somebody very close to Akinci personally and I also knw somebody very close to Talat too. Are you jelous.
Tnis new cove I have no connection to what so ever, nor did I have any with Eroglu or Dengtash. Although I knew people close to Dengtash it was not in a friendly manner so they would certainly not give me any info, not that it was necessary to find out what he was doing or any of the other UBP leaders for that matter.

You know very well thats not what he said and thats not what he implied. Read it again, it is clear and specific what was lacking. Poliitical will cannot be insignificant as this is a political problem.

As I said you aint paying no attention to what is being said.

[Pyrpolizer]

You know very well thats not what he said and thats not what he implied. Read it again, it is clear and specific what was lacking. Poliitical will cannot be insignificant as this is a political problem.

Prove for once that you are not naive by naming me the issues on which there wsas no political will from both sides.
Then you may continue with the fancy British ideas, and explain how those issues will not be there any more.

As I said you aint paying no attention to what is being said.

[Lordo]

I don't have to prove to you my understanding on anything. But I guess this wil lhelp you understand the situation yourself.

Political will required.:
1. Two equal federal states. So equal at the federal level.
2. Have a proprtioned arrangement so a TC can also be Presdient
3.Accept the Guarantee to go after the Implementation and the TA to withdraw with the GA at the same time sacle.

These are not insignificant, they are indeed at the core of the agreement which is political but have your leaders got the balls to come out in the public and admit they have lied to the public since 1963 and tell the truth of what really happened.

I suspect such a political leader is not even born yet but we have had two. First Talat and then Akinci.

[Pyrpolizer]

I don't have to prove to you my understanding on anything. But I guess this wil lhelp you understand the situation yourself.

Political will required.:

1. Two equal federal states. So equal at the federal level.
Political equality has already been defined by the UN as meaning effective say, and not meaning arithmetic equality. I don't know what exactly went wrong there..

2. Have a proprtioned arrangement so a TC can also be Presdient
Already proposed by Christofias assuming the President (GC or TC) would be elected from all Cypriots.
We can't have Tatar for President by getting 12% of the votes of the Cypriots.

3.Accept the Guarantee to go after the Implementation and the TA to withdraw with the GA at the same time sacle.
The guarantees should be abolished and it was in UNSG's framework for a solution!! Turkey rejected it, and after pressure from the UN conceded to revision 30 years after the implementation.
Wouldn't you be yelling like Anastasiades?


These are not insignificant, they are indeed at the core of the agreement which is political but have your leaders got the balls to come out in the public and admit they have lied to the public since 1963 and tell the truth of what really happened.

I suspect such a political leader is not even born yet but we have had two. First Talat and then Akinci.

[Lordo]

More bullshit.

Reaf and learn boy read and learn.

30 years you say. Fucking heel man where did you get that from?

Enjoy you ignorant peasent.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/02/16/turkey-guarantees-and-the-last-supper/

[Lordo]

What the hell is this?

However, Anastasiades, who had gone to Crans-Montana grudgingly and under pressure, evaluated these developments negatively and not as an opportunity to abolish the guarantees. Already in February of that year, he had been speaking in Nicosia of a two-state solution. On the eve of the dinner he had approached Cavusoglou and told him that efforts for a federal settlement were futile because the Greek Cypriots were not even prepared to share their hospitals with the Turkish Cypriots. The only viable solution was two states.

Bla bla bla.

I know appreciate the difficulties you have facing reality, but its ok you can get profesional help and you will be fine. it is nothing to be ashamed of.

[Lordo]

I love the last bit.

Guterres’ initial assessment that a solution was feasible was not made in a vacuum. The open issues would all have been dealt with by the Guterres framework, which was supposedly accepted by both sides. Guarantees would be abolished, replaced by the settlement implementation mechanism, while the issue of troops would be addressed at the level of prime ministers. Assurances of a quick departure had been given and the goal of 650 Turks and 950 Greeks staying was achievable.
Greece’s prime minister was willing to go to Crans-Montana. In fact, before the final collapse there was a break for Anastasiades to speak to Tsipras on the phone. It was clear that Tsipras wanted the conference moved to prime ministerial level, but Anastasiades did not.
Cavusoglu said he was prepared to stay at Crans-Montana for as long as it took.
Guterres said he would leave the next day but was willing to return to continue the prime ministerial conference.
Only Anastasiades was in a hurry to leave. He had instructed the Cypriot delegation to pack their bags before the final dinner.

[Pyrpolizer]

More bullshit.

Reaf and learn boy read and learn.

30 years you say. Fucking heel man where did you get that from?

Enjoy you ignorant peasent.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/02/16/turkey-guarantees-and-the-last-supper/

Ha,ha,ha. Follow your own advice. Reaf and learn:

Cavusoglu then brought up his original proposals that the guarantees should be maintained and reviewed in 10 to 15 years’ time. In this highly charged atmosphere, an obviously frustrated Guterres took responsibility, saying there had been a misunderstanding on his part

The columnist, Makarios Droushiotis, is known for writting articles based on gossip. Notice the date - 3 years after Crans Montana.