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[Lordo]

Well there you have it folks from the horses mouth. Apparently Anastasiades proposed this.

It looks more like BBDF - Bizonal Bicommunal Decentralised Federation

Britain is discussing a largely decentralized federation when it comes to the Cyprus problem, which should come as no surprise, as it is an idea tabled by President Nicos Anastasiades himself, British High Commissioner to Cyprus Stephen Lillie said in an interview published on Sunday in Kathimerini.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/09/12/details-of-a-bbf-are-what-will-get-the-cyprus-problem-solved-british-high-commissioner-says/

[repulsewarrior]

"...unity in Cyprus, unity in Turkey too.

What of the State, who it represents; not Persons, Individuals as equals without further discrimination or distinction.

...the same, in Turkey, and in Cyprus, in any country which respects the Universal Principals on which our Human condition is based; this is Freedom. And what, at another level of government, of Liberty, as majorities and as Persons having the capacity to demonstrate Goodwill toward the minorities that live among us with respect and recognition by providing for their special needs as well.

It is hopeful that such a notion could thrive, a BBF in Cyprus, worthy of its emulation wherever the Problem appears.

...and let's not forget Erdogan's own deadline, if he is to make a Legacy for himself in History judged great; should he succeed in bringing to Turkey's Centennial in two years a Constitution for Turkey, which unites its People now torn by the same "Turkishness" which has left Cyprus's people torn apart decades."

[Pyrpolizer]

The British fancy ideas go on from May. The Crans Montana talks came to dead end because of specific reasons.
How these reasons are going to vanish with these new ideas, only God knows....

https://in-cyprus.philenews.com/bbf-a-w ... -proposal/

which lay outside the UN parameters and the accepted framework for the settlement of the Cyprus issue.

with the report noting that it was ‘an idea’ based on the British intention to strengthen ties with the Turkish Cypriots and ‘loosen the embargo’.

Do you need to be a rocket scientist to realize what's all this about?

[Lordo]

The British fancy ideas go on from May. The Crans Montana talks came to dead end because of specific reasons.
How these reasons are going to vanish with these new ideas, only God knows....

https://in-cyprus.philenews.com/bbf-a-w ... -proposal/

which lay outside the UN parameters and the accepted framework for the settlement of the Cyprus issue.

with the report noting that it was ‘an idea’ based on the British intention to strengthen ties with the Turkish Cypriots and ‘loosen the embargo’.

Do you need to be a rocket scientist to realize what's all this about?

You really are cluless and the strange thing is you are unable to realise it. Anyway..........

A United Nations reports on the failed Cyprus reunification talks has revealed that a historic opportunity was missed in Crans-Montana.

The report which was submitted to members of the UN Security Council on Friday by the UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, on the failed Cyprus talks, noted that a historic opportunity was missed in Crans-Montana.

According to the report, a strategic agreement for a solution to the Cyprus problem had largely been agreed but a breakthrough had not been possible due to mistrust and a lack of political will.

The essence of a comprehensive settlement to the Cyprus problem is practically there, the parties had come close to reaching a strategic understanding on security and guarantees as well as on all other outstanding core elements of a comprehensive settlement,

” Guterres said of his opinion in the report, that covers the period from May 2015 to August 2017.
It is therefore my firm belief that a historic opportunity was missed in Crans-Montana.

The UNSG suggests that the required level of political will, in order to reach a settlement, had been absent at the Cyprus Conference in Crans-Montana.

Upon closing the Conference on Cyprus, I encouraged the sides to reflect on the way forward,” he said, adding that even if all the “core enablers” are in place, as they were in Crans-Montana, an agreement would remain difficult to achieve without “political will, courage and determination, mutual trust and a readiness to take calculated risks.

In reference to the above, the secretary-general repeated his call for the leaders to continue such reflection “to determine if and when conditions will mature again for a meaningful process in the near future.”

I reaffirm the readiness of the United Nations to assist the sides should they jointly decide to engage in such a process with the necessary political will, in order to conclude the strategic agreement that was emerging in Crans-Montana, Guterres said.
I furthermore encourage them to seek ways to preserve the body of work that had been built throughout the process in the form of convergences and understandings accumulated in the course of the past two years.

Guterres suggested that in the future, a strategic-level agreement on key outstanding issues should be followed, with details to be worked out at the technical level later.

An early agreement at the strategic level would immediately provide each side with the needed reassurance that the overall settlement would contain those elements that are of key importance for each community and thus provide impetus for completion of the remaining technical details,” he argued.

There is nothing here about going outside UN parameters and in any case it was Anastasiades who put the idea forward of a decetralised federation to Chavusoglu?

So what points are actually outside of the UN parameters?

[repulsewarrior]

...it would not have been hard for Akinci to say to all of us, he wants a Cyprus where one State "belongs" to everyone, while there are three separate governing bodies; he didn't, and still does not.

Two, equal and independent "states" is not enough, nor do they make a BBF in any meaningful way, because we are above all Cypriots; despite what "Greeks" and "Turks" may say.

...and with his silence, who benefited: not Cypriots. Lucky, Anastasiades is less "Greek" than Greek. Do you Lordo, really want to live as a "Turk"?

[Lordo]

...it would not have been hard for Akinci to say to all of us, he wants a Cyprus where one State "belongs" to everyone, while there are three separate governing bodies; he didn't, and still does not.

Two, equal and independent "states" is not enough, nor do they make a BBF in any meaningful way, because we are above all Cypriots; despite what "Greeks" and "Turks" may say.

...and with his silence, who benefited: not Cypriots. Lucky, Anastasiades is less "Greek" than Greek. Do you Lordo, really want to live as a "Turk"?

Absolute bull if I may say so. You keep blaming him. You are wrong. How many ways is there for him to tell you there is one Cyprus for god sake.
We had the chance twice once under Talat and again under Akinci and in both times GC leadership have fucked up. It is blatantly obvious who is to blame on the failure to achieve peace.

To hell with it. We shall have what we have and thats the end of it. Nobody can say we did not try. Can you say the same for GCs? Especially under Christofias and Anastasiades, after all he agreed with the Annan Plan in 2004.

[Pyrpolizer]

You really are cluless and the strange thing is you are unable to realise it. Anyway..........

The clueless one is you who repeats over and over UNSG's over generalized speech.
Of course there were important reasons why the talks failed, the opportunity was not missed as if it were a little bird that flew out of the window by mistake.

You may find some of the reasons from independent sources e.g. Reuters.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cypr ... SKBN19S02I

However even Reuters doesn't know all the reasons.
Quore: Guterres declined to elaborate on what exactly had caused the collapse, but said there was still a wide gap between the two delegations on a number of questions.

[Lordo]

More bullshit.

The essence of a comprehensive settlement to the Cyprus problem is practically there......... get it

Not theoretically but practically.

All these things you claim to have happened was it before or after Anastasiades got drunk and started shouting at the table.

What was the January all about when Anastasiades asked for a week delay and made his way to Athens, do talk about what? Or was he trying to claim half a doner from the Fatman?

More bull my friend.

Diplomats said Turkey had appeared to be offering little to Greek Cypriots wanting a full withdrawal of Turkish troops from the island, although the Greek Cypriots had indicated readiness to make concessions on Turkish Cypriot demands for a rotating presidency, the other key issue.

I like this one. But what it does not say is Anastasiades wanted full withdrawl from day one of the agreement.

He can go forth and furquine fornicate with himself

Was the withdrawal of the TA not aslo asked for by Makarios in 1963? I wonder why, can you have a guess?

Guterres finally called a halt at 2 a.m. after a session marred by yelling and drama, a source close to the negotiations said.

Any idea who was doing the yelling?



BTW rotating Presidency was no demand, it was a right. How dare he pretend it was something he could give as a concession. Did he also not say a TC can never be a President of GCs.

He can go fuck himself

[Pyrpolizer]

This article in Guardian was before the collapse of the talks. It describes what was left to have a final agreement.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... bmit-plans

[Pyrpolizer]

More bullshit.

The essence of a comprehensive settlement to the Cyprus problem is practically there......... get it

Not theoretically but practically.

Then the UNSG must have been stupid in declaring an impasse

All these things you claim to have happened was it before or after Anastasiades got drunk and started shouting at the table.

What was the January all about when Anastasiades asked for a week delay and made his way to Athens, do talk about what? Or was he trying to claim half a doner from the Fatman?

More bull my friend.

The Grans Montana was in July 2017

Diplomats said Turkey had appeared to be offering little to Greek Cypriots wanting a full withdrawal of Turkish troops from the island, although the Greek Cypriots had indicated readiness to make concessions on Turkish Cypriot demands for a rotating presidency, the other key issue.

I like this one. But what it does not say is Anastasiades wanted full withdrawl from day one of the agreement.

Go complain to Reuters

He can go forth and furquine fornicate with himself

You too chief negotiator

Was the withdrawal of the TA not aslo asked for by Makarios in 1963? I wonder why, can you have a guess?

Was the withdrawal of the Greek forces not aslo asked for by Makarios in 1972? I wonder why, can you have a guess?

Guterres finally called a halt at 2 a.m. after a session marred by yelling and drama, a source close to the negotiations said.

Any idea who was doing the yelling?



BTW rotating Presidency was no demand, it was a right. How dare he pretend it was something he could give as a concession. Did he also not say a TC can never be a President of GCs.

He can go fuck himself

Whatever you say chief negotiator.