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Re: USA vs China

Postby Lordo » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:20 am

so 37 billion of orders just ditched. The French should have nothing to complain about as they had no clauses for penalties for cancelation.

On the other had did we just agree to defend Taiwan under this new agreement and for that what do we get? Export about 30 million pounds of bmeat to the USA in about 10 years time?

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Re: USA vs China

Postby Paphitis » Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:21 pm

Lordo wrote:so 37 billion of orders just ditched. The French should have nothing to complain about as they had no clauses for penalties for cancelation.

On the other had did we just agree to defend Taiwan under this new agreement and for that what do we get? Export about 30 million pounds of bmeat to the USA in about 10 years time?

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These kind of contracts are always a 2 way street.

The general public do not know or have seen this contract but we are led to believe that there are some kind of clauses that protect France, as well as clauses that protect Australia. We are also led to believe that there are some kind of penalties that Australia is liable for in the event it exits the contract the way it did. The media have mentioned millions in fines. Naybe a couple hundred million? Who knows?

Unless Australia has a clause that specifies the product to be sold is obsolete and isn’t fit for purpose which is also possible amid the growing geo strategic need for nuclear subs as the regional threat from Chy-na grows. That’s also a possibility.

In the end, this is one for the lawyers to sort out. France will put its claim forward. Australia will put its counter claim forward but in the end, the clauses in the contract will be dissected by lawyers to work it out.

So far, Australia has paid 2 billion.

One thing is for sure. Australia has been building submarines for nearly 50 years and the defence industry in Adelaide is world class. They have these kind of things down pat.
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Re: USA vs China

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Re: USA vs China

Postby Paphitis » Sat Sep 25, 2021 3:47 pm

That is correct. The main objective for Australia is to have the capability to blockade major international shipping lanes, and to protect its own sea approaches.

But to also be able to project power in far places.

The Nuclear submarines, will provide Australia with huge capability.

In conjunction with other players like Singapore, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia and Malaysia, it places Chy-na is a precarious position and if you add the UK, France and US as well as Japan into the mix, then you wouldn’t want to be Chy-na.

But they put themselves in that position as the regional bully and that resulted in all these countries in the region coming together to address the issue and unite in geo strategic partnerships.

The whole point is probably to station Nuclear submarines at all the choke points, checking all the Chy-nese shipping. If anything untoward happens, the idea is to then probably target all these ships.

But back to the submarines. There is an air of excitement and confidence now in Australia, especially in Adelaide. Lots of great discussion and feelings of expectations. There is much talk about what submarines will be built, and the Virginia Class is on everyone’s lips. Probably the most advance Nuclear Powered submarine in the world. It is literally an Armageddon Weapon and a genuine weapon of mass destruction too as they can send Cruise missiles thousands of miles away just about from anywhere on the planet.

Once they go under, they can stay under pretty much till they run out of food. And in that time, they can be anywhere and literally wipe a city off the face. Not that Australia will do that, Australia won’t. But it’s all about the deterrence value and as we talked about, major sea lanes.

And it’s a major head ache for Chy-na as they are forced to seek new sea lanes away from these choke points basically giving them a major pain in the backside and a well deserved one too.

The decision by Australia was a great one. And that my friends is how it’s done.
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Re: USA vs China

Postby Paphitis » Sat Sep 25, 2021 4:03 pm

As for the French and the EU. You lot need to grow up!

Australia makes its decisions based on its national interests and security needs. It did not do it to screw France over and Australia still considers France as a friend no matter their hissy fit because Australia made decisions based on its security needs rather than serve their interests.

Make no mistake. The EU can threaten us with the FTD. It will not change Australia’s stance. In the end, the EU FTD will always come off second best to Australia’s other regional and security interests. You only need to ask Chy-na to understand that.

In the end, any friggin shit that comes out of that imbecilic Wonderliar, will only result in Australia teaming up with the UK even more and help the UK screw the EU over big time. The UK can be flooded with Australian resources and energy in days. They will have so much, the poms would be beside themselves and not know what to do with it all.

Australia just stated it will abide by all penalty clauses to France as a gesture of good will. If all this nonsense continues, maybe Australia shouldn’t and then what? Do you think Morrison cares if France threatens Australia with ICJ? They don’t and they don’t even need to abide by any decisions and there is nothing France or the EU can do about it other than threaten us with unleashing that stupid idiotic Wonderliar who is a weapon of mass destruction in her own right.

Now, the fact is this. France would have done the same thing if they were in our shoes.

Suck it up cupcakes! :lol:
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Re: USA vs China

Postby Paphitis » Sat Sep 25, 2021 4:08 pm

Australua is facing a security threat, and therefore has made its decision based on that.

As for the EU,

Ο κόσμος χάνεται, και το μουνί χταινήζετε! :lol:

It proves once again that the UK was correct to have BREXIT and screw the EU over. You had that country under siege for years with your shit but in the end theUK turned the tables and took their sovraja and humiliated the EU.

So, EU can also jam its FTD. We don’t need you.

Mercedes and BMW are shit cars anyway. They are not built to Australian conditions and after 5 years are ticking time bombs. Toyota’s are better and are built to withstand Australian conditions. You can see them in Afghanistan, in the Sahara and Australia Desert. They are bullet proof. A Mercedes wouldn’t last 2 weeks. Total pieces of shit!

I laugh at people pulling up in their Mercedes thinking that they are somebodies when my car will completely demolish it in a car crash and I only end up with a few scratches and scuff marks. Mercedes and BMWs are very gay! :lol:
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Re: USA vs China

Postby Paphitis » Sat Sep 25, 2021 4:29 pm

Toyota Landcruisers are renowned for clicking over a million miles when looked after. A Mercedes would crap it’s pants in 100,000 miles.

The French Submarine is nothing but a Renault Kolios. The future Nuclear subs are like buying an American F250 or Chevrolet Ram.

The Renault is made for mums doing the weekly shop, whilst the Ram is designed for hunting wild pigs throughout the countryside.

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