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The true history of Israel/Judea

Postby Paphitis » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:32 am

Probably a video that is biased but can any of the content actually be rebuked as false or inaccurate?

Most of the content actually passes the pub test.

And very interesting too…



It seems to me that if we can’t rebuke most of that content, then Israel is actually right. It has a right to exist on those lands and has more legitimacy to exist there and that it is in fact they who have been hard done by.

Any thoughts on this?
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Re: The true history of Israel/Judea

Postby Paphitis » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:38 am

I only post it because of my dislike for double standards in the world and hypocrisy.

Can anyone see the double standards and hypocrisy? Or is it just me? Maybe I’m wrong?
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Re: The true history of Israel/Judea

Postby Maximus » Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:19 pm

Well,

my two cents is that Palestine got its name from the Philistines,

The people who identify as Palestinians today and claim all of Palestine as theirs are not those people.
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Re: The true history of Israel/Judea

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:27 am

...indeed the video presents its case strongly.

One would hope that a People like the Jews would have a better sense of their own behaviour toward the Palestinians that share this Holy Land.

...that they all agree to serve lovingly seems but a fantasy; the adversity only demonstrates their closeness to God.
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Re: The true history of Israel/Judea

Postby Lordo » Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:28 am

Buuuuuuuuuulshit. Israel came to being because the Brits felt guilty about what the Nazis and the Russians did to the jews before WW2 and during it and having considered several other places decided to give Palestianan lands to them to set up their state. And of course being the guard dog of the west protecting their interests regarding mid east oil fields it suits Israel well and of course they are allowed to do anything they like so long as they look after the western interests in the region.

it wil lnot last, sooner or later the oil wil run about even if it takes couple of hundred years or even a thousand years and they will be driven from the land they have stolen.

How anybody incessently complain about what Turkey has done in Cyprus and agree with what Israel is doing in the middle East just gows to show how stupid they are.

Uzun boylu cuceler. Tall in body dwarf in mind. Enjoy.

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Re: The true history of Israel/Judea

Postby Maximus » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:02 pm

Lordo wrote:Buuuuuuuuuulshit. Israel came to being because the Brits felt guilty about what the Nazis and the Russians did to the jews before WW2 and during it and having considered several other places decided to give Palestianan lands to them to set up their state. And of course being the guard dog of the west protecting their interests regarding mid east oil fields it suits Israel well and of course they are allowed to do anything they like so long as they look after the western interests in the region.

it wil lnot last, sooner or later the oil wil run about even if it takes couple of hundred years or even a thousand years and they will be driven from the land they have stolen.

How anybody incessently complain about what Turkey has done in Cyprus and agree with what Israel is doing in the middle East just gows to show how stupid they are.



You are the one complaining about what Israel does in Palestine but agrees with what Turkey and the TC's do in Cyprus.

While tooting your horns about Turkey being the west's best guard dog.

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Re: The true history of Israel/Judea

Postby Paphitis » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:12 pm

Lordo wrote:Buuuuuuuuuulshit. Israel came to being because the Brits felt guilty about what the Nazis and the Russians did to the jews before WW2 and during it and having considered several other places decided to give Palestianan lands to them to set up their state. And of course being the guard dog of the west protecting their interests regarding mid east oil fields it suits Israel well and of course they are allowed to do anything they like so long as they look after the western interests in the region.

it wil lnot last, sooner or later the oil wil run about even if it takes couple of hundred years or even a thousand years and they will be driven from the land they have stolen.

How anybody incessently complain about what Turkey has done in Cyprus and agree with what Israel is doing in the middle East just gows to show how stupid they are.

Uzun boylu cuceler. Tall in body dwarf in mind. Enjoy.



Sure the Brits helped form Israel but even then they were hard done by. The slither of land they were given was structurally unsound and hard to defend.

But they still managed, even when attacked and eventually expanded slightly into West Bank and Golan Heights.

My question was, is there anything in that video that can be rebuked? I watched it and I struggle to be able to rebuke any of it. And it’s all that history that is disregarded by Israel’s critics. A history which connects them to Palestine well before anyone else, including the Palestinians.

Therefore, it’s their land, historically. Even the Old Testament and Bible records these lands as their’s
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Re: The true history of Israel/Judea

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:23 pm

...the map, the one they started with has changed, so much so that what represents Palestinian land are enclaves. It can be explained (Historically), but it also makes light of the Human tragedy this represents, families and children who suffer growing up in such an environment of fear. I suggest Israel is not blameless in that regard, their Leadership fails themselves it seems, unable to do differently; for their own People (and 'us'; the rest of the world).

Like Cyprus, it is a torn land which cannot go back to what it was, it can only improve.

...and what race do we "belong" to, but the Human race; with or without God this is true.

I would prefer a BBF actually; that they (we) respect and trust each other as Individuals, having a State which represents us as such without further distinction or discrimination, and as Persons with their (our) distinct identities, at another level of Government demonstrating (the same) Goodwill as a majority toward the minorities living among them. This same notion born in America soon followed by France in its own revolution is not new. You would think by now, what with the First World War we would have learned what real enemies are, like Hunger, Disease, or Ignorance, not each other; even the Second World War, its lesson, is denied. The same intolerance toward each other remains the narrative often exploited. While a corruption, it leads to those who use it in power, more power.
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Re: The true history of Israel/Judea

Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:07 pm

I totally understand that there is suffering and pain.

And yes, the map has changed. They were handed a homeland which was structurally unsound and besieged by enemies all round. They were attacked and they made their land easier to defend knowing that their enemies want to drive them into the sea. Which will result in suffering of their children.

As a result, they have to do what is necessary to prevent that from happening.

End result is they took some more land.

But let’s put ourselves in those shoes. Can any of us actually blame them? Would we do the same? I think I would.

And is the history and attachment to that land lend them to some legitimacy? I think it does to an extent as I struggle to be even remotely capable to rebuking their claim.

Can anyone rebuke it is my question?
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Re: The true history of Israel/Judea

Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:15 pm

The argument that Israel is some kind of American lap dog is interesting.

The Americans have many Gulf States as their ally. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Oman are all American Lap dogs.

So the Americans have a lot of control without Israel.

And Israel was indeed the recipient of British good will all sit in a very half baked manner. The land given to them was just unsound.

So it’s not as if the Brits handed much over. They handed over a lot of tokenism and tried to appease the Arab Stares at the same time. It was half hearted.

And Israel never participated in any US coalition, they never went into Iraq. Or Afghanistan. They always stayed in their borders. For them, every Israeli soldier is dedicated for the defence of Israel and their existence.

So Lordos argument is interesting but just doesn’t stack up to the facts on the ground.
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