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by **Lordo** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:16 pm

You can call them anything you want. Refugee, migrant or assylum seeker.

But why do they decide to pack up and leave their homeland?
What affect do they have in their destination country?
How do they decide where to go?

That is the questions.

by **Lordo** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:29 pm

So it seems in the EU we can make up the laws as we go along, what ever it suits us. I guess having lived 63 and beyond, why am I not surprised.

by **Maximus** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:55 pm

Are you going to tell us now that europe should take in more poor people and solve their problem by raising prices so everyone can earn a "living wage".

You are the biggest idiot going.

63 years old you say?

by **Lordo** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:17 am

You are one confused toilet cleaning attendent.
What is this thread about?
Is it about living wage?

FFS read the fuckin post.

Or did it upset you because of the specific clip which is about Greece. It could have been anywhere. I have said nothing against Greece, just the treatment they get no matter where they land. Italy, UK, Spain Greece. It is all the same.

The question is very simple to start with is this legal?

Then we shall get to why it happens. Now why should be easy because some of us migrants in this here forum.

One of the questions I hear a lot is why do people want to reach UK. Thelaw says they have to claim political assylum in the country they land in.

So why did so many Cypriots choose to come to the UK. Kikapu does not count he went to many countries.

I have a friend who settled in Italy. I asked him why did he choose Italy and his reply was I cam to UK but they would not let me inso I cam to Italy. This was in the 80s by the way.

Why do Libyans want to come to EU for instance? Why oh why oh why?

by **Maximus** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:25 am

Lordo wrote:You are one confused toilet cleaning attendent.
What is this thread about?
Is it about living wage?

FFS read the fuckin post.

Or did it upset you because of the specific clip which is about Greece. It could have been anywhere. I have said nothing against Greece, just the treatment they get no matter where they land. Italy, UK, Spain Greece. It is all the same.

The question is very simple to start with is this legal?

Then we shall get to why it happens. Now why should be easy because some of us migrants in this here forum.

One of the questions I hear a lot is why do people want to reach UK. Thelaw says they have to claim political assylum in the country they land in.

So why did so many Cypriots choose to come to the UK. Kikapu does not count he went to many countries.

I have a friend who settled in Italy. I asked him why did he choose Italy and his reply was I cam to UK but they would not let me inso I cam to Italy. This was in the 80s by the way.

Why do Libyans want to come to EU for instance? Why oh why oh why?

I knew you would put the issues in separate boxes. Only a dumbo wouldn't see that they are actually inter-related.

But since you mentioned Greece, I was watching a documentary the other night about the illegal migrants in Greece. A major theme in that documentary was poverty, among the Greek People and the sheer number of migrants that keep arriving in the country. Locals have their own problems, as we know, but the migrants have compounded them.

Some migrants have become modern day slaves, others live in conditions worse than what they probably fled in the first place. They want to work, but there are no jobs for them and the locals are also desperate to survive, so they exploit them. This is pretty consistent in Greece, Italy and everywhere else in Europe the migrants end up, but more prevalent in the southerns front line states that have had recent economic problems as well.

So, does Greece have to pass a law to raise the minimum wage so these people can be taken out of poverty? Should Italy and Greece be going out to sea and bringing even more of these migrants to Europe?

by **Lordo** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:33 am

Hade bale Gavolon Mavrolon. Boses fores na sou da bo gavole. This is about refugees not better pay.

This is about why the refugees keep arriving. What has pushed them to leave their homeland and move to EU.

Is it really that hard to answer.
As to whether you are a dumbo or not your posts make it obvious.

I can feel a song coming on.

by **Maximus** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:35 am

it is very simple to answer Bordo,

they are looking for opportunity, better life, welfare, money.

But they find the opposite.

exploitation, poverty, homelessness, eventual deportation,

by **Lordo** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:14 pm

Now there is value to understanding why Libyans are coming over.

Lets go back to the late 70s and early 80s when people from all over EU and Turkey and Cyprus were going to Libya to work. So here we are at the point where Libyans are trying to get to the EU and risking their lives.

So what happened between late 70s and early 80s and now to cause such an effect.

by **Pyrpolizer** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 8:43 pm

The vast majority of those who can afford to pay 2-3000 dollars to boat traffickers are not refugees, nor asylum seekers. An asylum seeker would normally seek asylum at the closest safe place, not travel thousands of miles to the richest countries in the world.
The situation is both comical and tragic.

by **Lordo** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 9:13 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:The vast majority of those who can afford to pay 2-3000 dollars to boat traffickers are not refugees, nor asylum seekers. An asylum seeker would normally seek asylum at the closest safe place, not travel thousands of miles to the richest countries in the world.
The situation is both comical and tragic.

Makes no difference whether they are assylum seekers or refugees or migrants.

Have look at what happened in Libya from the time there were accepting workers fropm Europe to now and see whay?

The question you ask is why do these people want to leave their homeland to live elswhere.

The secons point is wny Britain, Well I can answer that abd you should be able to understand.
1. I lived under the British Empire
2. Second language in school was English
3. I have relatives and friends in UK

it has nothing to do with the rishest nation on earth or any help they getting after they arrive. They get 35 pounds a week and they cannot work.

As to how they find that kind of money
1. They sell everything they on inc posessions and property
2. They borrow money from relatives and friends to be paid back
3. The people who bring them here can also loan bring them for nothing but thay have to work next 10 years to pay them back

The crime is not allowing these people a chance to come over in a safe way. Ironic of course but they flock to the very people who are treating tham so bad. There is an old saying "Denize dusen yilana sarilir. when you fall in the sea you grab the serpant."

So we go back to just look at one country or any other country you like to see why they feel the need to leave their homeland.