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[Lordo]

Anyway, Turkey will not attack to gain the rest of the island for one simple reason, because of the trump card which Cyprus has under it’s sleeves, which is, on a moments notice it can vote to become part of Greece and become part of NATO by riding Greece’s NATO coattails. Already an EU member state, Turkey would be in a shitload of problems when Greece/Cyprus invokes NATO’s Article 5, especially after Turkey not going along with NATO and the EU to close it’s airspace to Russia or join the sanctions.

I don’t think one NATO member can invoke A5 against another. That would seem a bit ridiculous.

But I agree Turkey wouldn’t likely want to attack this side. They’d have, at the very least, a perpetual state of insurrection on their hands. Not to mention joining Russia as an international pariah.

Well, yes, it would not be a unanimous to invoke A5, but Turkey would give NATO a good reason to remove her from the alliance for attacking another NATO member unprovoked......maybe!

ang on a moment my friend. The moment GRoC passes a law to join Greece is the very moment Terggy is allowed to come in and serve some nice ice-cream with crushed nuts if you get my meaning. With a flake on to called 74.

Sure they can have enosis anytime they like so long as they recognise TRNC. Now that will be a turn up for the books.
There is no law that says they can be expelled if they attack another Nato member. Many occasions Greece and Terggy came to almost blows and nobody suggested who ever attacks should be expelled. When you train a guard dog for decades, you do not just put her out in the street, you want to get your investment back never mind how much more they are going to serve the American interests in the future. Spme people here are like a two yearold when it comes to American politics. FFS.

[repulsewarrior]

...it is Russia that should be joining NATO; isn't it European itself?

Cyprus too for the same reasons should be in NATO; unthinkable the consequences if anyone should attack them, unthinkable that they would attack each other.

[Get Real!]

Kikakopoulos’ spin has ruffled some feathers

[Londonrake]

Kikakopoulos’ spin has ruffled some feathers

That’s your job.

[Kikapu]

Anyway, Turkey will not attack to gain the rest of the island for one simple reason, because of the trump card which Cyprus has under it’s sleeves, which is, on a moments notice it can vote to become part of Greece and become part of NATO by riding Greece’s NATO coattails. Already an EU member state, Turkey would be in a shitload of problems when Greece/Cyprus invokes NATO’s Article 5, especially after Turkey not going along with NATO and the EU to close it’s airspace to Russia or join the sanctions.

I don’t think one NATO member can invoke A5 against another. That would seem a bit ridiculous.

But I agree Turkey wouldn’t likely want to attack this side. They’d have, at the very least, a perpetual state of insurrection on their hands. Not to mention joining Russia as an international pariah.

Well, yes, it would not be a unanimous to invoke A5, but Turkey would give NATO a good reason to remove her from the alliance for attacking another NATO member unprovoked......maybe!

ang on a moment my friend. The moment GRoC passes a law to join Greece is the very moment Terggy is allowed to come in and serve some nice ice-cream with crushed nuts if you get my meaning. With a flake on to called 74.

Sure they can have enosis anytime they like so long as they recognise TRNC. Now that will be a turn up for the books.
There is no law that says they can be expelled if they attack another Nato member. Many occasions Greece and Terggy came to almost blows and nobody suggested who ever attacks should be expelled. When you train a guard dog for decades, you do not just put her out in the street, you want to get your investment back never mind how much more they are going to serve the American interests in the future. Spme people here are like a two yearold when it comes to American politics. FFS.

Yes but, that’s not what happened when Cyprus as a whole island joined the EU as an independent country without recognition of the “trnc”. Yes, the stakes would be little higher for Cyprus to become part of Greece, hence part of NATO.

Article 8 of NATO provides removal of a member for performing an unprovoked attack on another NATO member to the best of my understandings. It all depends how badly other NATO members would like to get rid of Turkey from the alliance, especially now that Turkey is refusing to sanction Russia because of the war in Ukraine.

ARTICLE 8

Each Party declares that none of the international engagements now in force between it and any other of the Parties or any third State is in conflict with the provisions of this Treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any international engagement in conflict with this Treaty.

Essentially, then, this means "By signing this treaty we agree not to start a fight with other NATO members". If you attacked another NATO member, you would be breaking this article and would therefore be in breach of the treaty.

Anyone breaking Article 8/breaching the treaty would be liable to be expelled from NATO. Once they're expelled, they would then be outside NATO and treated no differently to anyone else attacking a NATO member.

The tricky part is deciding which of the two countries broke the treaty, who is the "aggressor"... that could be very obvious, or equally could be quite tricky to identify.

[repulsewarrior]

The world's Freedom, the idea that we, the People, as Individuals, are committed to such notions, like Liberty and Fraternity, rest in the hands of Cypriots if we want to, who, better than most, can demonstrate such will.

...indeed, in our streets Russians and Ukrainians may join under one Flag, the one "they" treat as a rag, to make it clear, like in Cyprus, they like Cypriots recognise a life beyond the "Them" we talk about so often.

My question is becoming; are Russian Ukrainians being treated differently now that the war has begun; Ukrainians, as the People and the State, do they continue to treat them as equals fighting the "Russians"?

...what is enosis could not be made clearer, if Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots standing in unity for a Cyprus, stood along with these men and women for the Ukraine.

...indeed, in the Ukraine, is it not the "Cyprus solution" that Putin talked about, in Georgia?

[Lordo]

Anyway, Turkey will not attack to gain the rest of the island for one simple reason, because of the trump card which Cyprus has under it’s sleeves, which is, on a moments notice it can vote to become part of Greece and become part of NATO by riding Greece’s NATO coattails. Already an EU member state, Turkey would be in a shitload of problems when Greece/Cyprus invokes NATO’s Article 5, especially after Turkey not going along with NATO and the EU to close it’s airspace to Russia or join the sanctions.

I don’t think one NATO member can invoke A5 against another. That would seem a bit ridiculous.

But I agree Turkey wouldn’t likely want to attack this side. They’d have, at the very least, a perpetual state of insurrection on their hands. Not to mention joining Russia as an international pariah.

Well, yes, it would not be a unanimous to invoke A5, but Turkey would give NATO a good reason to remove her from the alliance for attacking another NATO member unprovoked......maybe!

ang on a moment my friend. The moment GRoC passes a law to join Greece is the very moment Terggy is allowed to come in and serve some nice ice-cream with crushed nuts if you get my meaning. With a flake on to called 74.

Sure they can have enosis anytime they like so long as they recognise TRNC. Now that will be a turn up for the books.
There is no law that says they can be expelled if they attack another Nato member. Many occasions Greece and Terggy came to almost blows and nobody suggested who ever attacks should be expelled. When you train a guard dog for decades, you do not just put her out in the street, you want to get your investment back never mind how much more they are going to serve the American interests in the future. Spme people here are like a two yearold when it comes to American politics. FFS.

Yes but, that’s not what happened when Cyprus as a whole island joined the EU as an independent country without recognition of the “trnc”. Yes, the stakes would be little higher for Cyprus to become part of Greece, hence part of NATO.

Article 8 of NATO provides removal of a member for performing an unprovoked attack on another NATO member to the best of my understandings. It all depends how badly other NATO members would like to get rid of Turkey from the alliance, especially now that Turkey is refusing to sanction Russia because of the war in Ukraine.

ARTICLE 8

Each Party declares that none of the international engagements now in force between it and any other of the Parties or any third State is in conflict with the provisions of this Treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any international engagement in conflict with this Treaty.

Essentially, then, this means "By signing this treaty we agree not to start a fight with other NATO members". If you attacked another NATO member, you would be breaking this article and would therefore be in breach of the treaty.

Anyone breaking Article 8/breaching the treaty would be liable to be expelled from NATO. Once they're expelled, they would then be outside NATO and treated no differently to anyone else attacking a NATO member.

The tricky part is deciding which of the two countries broke the treaty, who is the "aggressor"... that could be very obvious, or equally could be quite tricky to identify.

I do not see no such mention of removal in the article.

Article 8
Each Party declares that none of the international engagements now in force between it and any other of the Parties or any third State is in conflict with the provisions of this Treaty, and
undertakes not to enter into any international engagement in conflict with this Treaty.

Clearly there is no way any member can be thrown out. However I would love to see Turkey kicked out of Nato. I mean if buying Russian missiles is not a reason to expel a member.....