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Re: How untrustworthy are the Turks?

Postby erolz66 » Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:54 am

Maximus wrote:The UN is here because Cyprus is illegally occupied and the GC's dont feel safe.


Yet the UN was here in Cyprus 10 years before such occupation. They did not come to Cyprus in 1964 because GC did not feel safe. They may have stayed post 74 for that reason but that was not the reason they came in the first place.
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Re: How untrustworthy are the Turks?

Postby Lordo » Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:20 am

erolz66 wrote:
Maximus wrote:The UN is here because Cyprus is illegally occupied and the GC's dont feel safe.


Yet the UN was here in Cyprus 10 years before such occupation. They did not come to Cyprus in 1964 because GC did not feel safe. They may have stayed post 74 for that reason but that was not the reason they came in the first place.

They did nothing even than. They sat by and watched Makarios bring in thousands of tones of weapons which included tanks and a brigade of 12,000 Greek Soldiers in secret and used the tanks against the defenseless TC population despite the promisses that the heavy weapons would not be used against the TC population.

I would say the question is not how untrustworthy is the Turks but how untrustworthy are the Greeks. But I will not say that as it is just about as racist as it sounds. The question should be how untrustworthy is the Greek and GC establishment.

You can start from 1960 get all the way to this day and everything in between where GC establishment had no intention for peace any time. Papadopoullos negotiated an agreement in 2004 and despite promising the EU that he would support it, he did not. Before than, back in 1972 Clerides negotiated the acceptance of all 13 points wanted by Makarios and was also refused too. UN negotiated the return of Marash back in 1978 with the only pre-condition that GCs would sit in the same room when negotiating with the TCs. No agreement was required.
Only one reason. ENOSIS was not allowed under any circumstances. However they did get Enosis through the back door by joining EU but it is not the ENOSIS they were after. They enosised with the whole Europe and that was never their intention.

Lets face it UN has been on this island since 1964 and have achieved absolutely nothing accept the continuation of the status quo. It is time they went back home.
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Re: How untrustworthy are the Turks?

Postby Maximus » Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:57 pm

Turkey has maintained the status quo and achieved absolutely nothing, its time they went back home.

TATAR thinks you are all Turks and that you are connected to the turkish race, he was on his podium saying it the other day. That's why he is trying to get enosis with Turkey, for the occupied part of cyprus, either as a seperate state or through some kind of solution with the greek Cypriots that would cede power to Turkey indirectly through the Turkish minority on the island.

he should arrange to repatriate all the Turks in cyprus too when the Turkish army leaves.

Lets face it, It all makes sense. Turkey is just wasting everyone's time and keeping the Turks in cyprus poor for no good reason.
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Re: How untrustworthy are the Turks?

Postby Lordo » Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:23 pm

I do wonder sometimes whether UN actually were worried about the GC establishment and came in as suicide watch thing to stop them from self harming themselves. But unfortunately they just sat back and watched it unfold.
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Re: How untrustworthy are the Turks?

Postby Maximus » Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:22 pm

A disturbing example

In a shocking revelation that has sent shock waves throughout the political landscape of Cyprus, "President" Ersin Tatar, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community has been pictured meeting with a notorious Turkish mafia boss. This alarming incident not only tarnishes Tatar's reputation but also raises serious questions about the integrity of the Turkish Cypriot political leadership and its commitment to upholding the rule of law.

The images, published by the Cyprus Mail today, depict Tatar in a seemingly friendly encounter with a figure infamous for his connections to organized crime. It is not only a gross lapse in judgment but an outright betrayal of the trust placed in Tatar as an interlocutor with the Greek Cypriot side and as a figure representing the "Elite" contingents of the Turkish Cypriot community.

Therefore one must ask: What could possibly justify a sitting "president" meeting with a criminal underworld figure? What business does a head of "state" have in the company of someone with such a questionable and murky background? I can tell you what, they are both cut from the same cloth.

The implications of this meeting are deeply troubling. It erodes the credibility of the office of the "presidency", even if it had any and calls into question Tatar's commitment to the principles of democracy and and the rule of law. As a leader entrusted with the welfare of his people, Tatar should be held to the highest ethical standards. Meeting with a mafia boss sends the message that he may prioritize personal interests over the well-being of his citizens. Or in fact, he is a mafia himself. I would tend to agree with the latter. After all, the whole regime and "state" was founded on a mafia and continues to exist illegally.

One must also raise the question and consider the impact on law enforcement and the fight against organized crime in the pseudo state. How can the police and justice system effectively combat criminal elements when the president himself appears to be fraternizing with them?

This scandal is not only a betrayal of public trust but also a stain on the reputation of Turkish Cypriots who would rather blame the GC's for their predicament than accept that they are unrecognised because they were and still are a bandit state that cant really ever be united with.

Now tell me, who trusts this guy?

Source: https://cyprus-mail.com/2023/09/27/tata ... afia-boss/
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Re: How untrustworthy are the Turks?

Postby Lordo » Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:49 pm

I have started reading the book called "Crime at Crans-Montana" and I cannot believe what I am reading. Unfortunately it is true. The country that has never wanted to solve the Cyprus Problem from 1963 onwards is I am afraid Russia,

Back in February 2014 before they signed the Joint Declaration between Eroglu and Anastasiades, Russia tried everything under the Sun to stop Anastasiades from signing it. Whilst Davutoglu traveled to the north to make sure Eroglu signed.

What is even more interesting is what Christofias said to Anastasiades. He yold him " Mr President do not trust the Americans and especially the British. The British are like snake will will bite you when you least expect it."

And yet moving on to Energy exploration awards only western countries won the contracts to explore. Not one Russian firm even bothered to apply.

Funny world ain it?

I ask you can you trust those damn Tergggggs?

Another thing which jumps up and punches you in the face is how often Anastasiades got drunk and was abusive to to others including United States ambassador embarrassing him in front of some visiting senators visiting Cyprus as well as how Cypriot media actually changed the anouncements made by the UN in order to get rid of Downer.
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Re: How untrustworthy are the Turks?

Postby Maximus » Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:12 pm

and Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots have always wanted to solve the Cyprus problem haven't they bordo,

Just under terms and conditions that are unacceptable to the Greek Cypriots or not compatible with modern norms or UN resolutions.
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Re: How untrustworthy are the Turks?

Postby Maximus » Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:23 pm

Personally, I wouldn't put any weight in anyone's opinion who supported the Annan plan.

Specifically the author of that book you are reading Bordo.

but I understand why you are putting him up on a pedestal,

A Turkish nationalist will always find a useful idiot in the far left corners of the Cypriot political spectrum. :roll:
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Re: How untrustworthy are the Turks?

Postby Lordo » Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:15 pm

How does one explain to an idiot that if Makarios did not decide to go for a wild goose chase to change the constitution which he signed without the consent of the TCs, there would have been no Cyprus Problem. When somebody finds out how to explain it to an idiot please let me know.

In the meantime, what is really interesting is how Cyprus is viewed by the Russians and how Russia views Cyprus.

Russia views Cyprus as a useful idiot which the Europeans saw fit to give confidential information to so they can just pass it on to Russia. In the meantime the Cyprus see's Russia as their saviour, despite the fact that they sat by and watched Turkey invade Cyprus without lifting a finger to help. As if that was not enough, the Russians asked the Bulgarians to supply fuel to Turkey. Of course the Turks went back to the Russians and told them they had no tankers to transport the fuel and the Russians suggested that if the Bulgarians were asked they would arrange transport too. Interestingly Cyprus does support the Invasion of Crimea and the annexation to Russia too inside EU.

Anyway back to the subject matter. Can the Terggs be trusted after all this is what the thread is all about. So, so far we learnt that back in 2014 before the declaration was signed, Davutoglu leaned on Eroglu to sign it.

Another question to ask is if Greece is part of Nato, how is loyalty to Russia tolerated.
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Re: How untrustworthy are the Turks?

Postby Lordo » Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:49 pm

There are several people on each side of the fascist persuasion that hate them. Why? Because they tell it how it is. Of you are one of these fascists, suddenly you find the person you admired most is a bloody murderer.

The TC fascists hate Kizilyurek and Sener Levent.
The GC fascists hate Makarios Drousiotis and Tony Angastiniotis.

For instance Tony had to audacity to point out that civilians from 3 villages were murdered in 1974 and the media were not even allowed to mention the incident in any reports. Kizilyurek mentioned it on a GC TV show and the fuckin broadcast was cut off.

Kizilyurek has a special place in Cyprus Land, he is hated fascists from both sides. TCs fascists hate him for what he says about TMT and Dengtash and GCs hate him because they cannot understand that a TC can live in the south and not be loyal to the people he lives with. There is an old proverb -Hirsiz hirsizlikdan gorkar - A thief is afraid of being robbed.

Tony Angastiniotis. is now unable to live in the south. He cannot get a job and he fears of being killed. Don't you love democracy and freedom of the press? I mean they do serve democracy right?

Like fuck they do. They serve their masters.

If you do not like Drousiotis, why don't you pick on a single fact he mentioned in his books and show how he got it wrong.
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